Why it doesn't matter if Obama was born in Kenya

Article 2 states

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

 

Lol...if you say you've proven me won't then it must be true! Yet you ignored several points. Next time, just save time and admit up front you will ignore facts that don't help your position.

 

That is correct! Do you disagree with the US Constitution?

 

I haven't ignored anything you've written. I've addressed them and shown you how and why you're wrong.

convince arnold to run, and see what happens.

 

Isnt there any rule about cutting and pasting the exact same unattributed quote in 12 different threads on the same day?

I mean its not just that NB posts a post that is intended to mislead readers as to what is in the Constitution- its that he goes to every single Birther thread and pastes the same thing he copied from somewhere else.

 

You havent ignored anything? Lol....such blatant dishonesty is sad. You never:

1. Showed Washington's place of birth as being anything but VA.

2. Ignored the fact Hamilton wanted to put in an expiration date but failed in getting it in before the Constitution was ratified.

3. The fact Washington was viewed by his contemporaries as being a NBC.

4. The fact when the DOI was signed it abolished all ties to britain thus making any (white man) born on US soil a NBC.

5. Your entire position rests on the claim there were no NBCs qualified to run for POTUS because none were old enough. The first freaking president was a NBC.

Hell, you're so far out of touch with basic facts you actually thought there were no Citizens prior to the signing of the Constitution. There is no expiration date in Clause 5 and coupled with the fact the first President was a NBC, your argument is trashed.

 

Well here is some solid evidence backing my argument:

"You are not to enlist any person who is not an American born, unless such person
has a wife and family, and is a settled resident of this country.” George Washington,
Given at headquarters, at Cambridge, this 10 July, 1775.

So even before the DOI was signed Washington and others saw themselves as American born. Is there anyone silly enough to claim "American born" is not the same thing as natural born?

 

convince arnold to run, and see what happens.

 

I am sure he would try to run. and he has already helped destroy one state. so I am sure he would love to try and help Obama to destroy the U.S.

 

Arnold is a "Naturalized" US citizen.. He can never run for President..

 

I am aware of that I did not say he could. I said I am sure he would like to. and I am sure he would like to help Obama tear apart the country like he did California.

 

Given the fact the leaders of the independence saw themselves as American born before even the DOI was signed I'd argue arnie could run. The most common defense of the interpretation is there were no NBCs old enough yet we know for a fact there were many.

 

Nice partisan free view.

 

I don't like one over the other. I think 99% of politicians are destroying the country.

I think if we got rid of Politicians. and started all over the country would be a lot better.

 

It is not the fault of the politicians. Americans have a civic duty to hold elected officials accountable and as a nation we absolutely suck at that. Politicians live on scams because we let them.

 

You are right it is our duty to hold them accountable. but the world never gets a accurate view of what is happening. because one party does it so their view is favorable. and the other does the other.

So i figure if you take half of what they both say you will get the accurate information.


now if you take the wrong half. then you will be way off...

 

but back here in the real world, there were no NBC's at the time of the signing. that's why they had to put the exception clause in there.

have you had any luck convincing arnold that he can run yet?

 

I cannot thank you enough for ignoring the fact Washington ordered American born was one qualifier to enlist in the army in 1775. Why am I thanking you? It confirmed was I suspected before in that you ignore any fact that hurts your argument.

 

Goose. none of them were "American Born".. They were ALL b orn in British colonies like Virginia, South Carolina, etc.

 

you haven't presented any facts. You have presented falsehoods which I have repeatedly shot down. there was no such thing as an american citizen before there was an america. Washington became a citizen at the time of signing, just like every other living person in the US.

did arnold say he would run?

 

Maybe he didn't know that all 13 colonies were British Colonies.. and the people were British Subjects?????

 

Did you not see the quote from Washington stating one qualifier to enlist in the army in 1775 was "American born?" He was not the only military leader to reference others as American born before the DOI was signed.

 

They did not see themselves as british subjects. They saw themselves as Americans in the United States. The first military oath in 1776 stated:

""I _____, do acknowledge the Thirteen United States of America, namely, New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, to be free, independent, and sovereign states, and declare, that the people thereof owe no allegiance or obedience to George the third, king of Great Britain; and I renounce, refuse and abjure any allegiance or obedience to him; and I do swear that I will, to the utmost of my power, support, maintain, and defend the said United States against the said king, George the third, and his heirs and successors, and his and their abettors, assistants and adherents; and will serve the said United States...."
http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html

They renounced their allegience to Britain before the DOI was written and signed and for those born on US soil, such as Washington in 1732 (whose parents were also born on US soil), they viewed themselves as American born.