Why it doesn't matter if Obama was born in Kenya

Your opinion and US law differ. I'll stay with the law.

 

The Law says nothing about at what age a person becomes a US citizen.

You are inventing some silly excuse for your losing position.

 

Ignorance may be bliss, but it is a handicap in a debate, Margot.

US law in 1961 states a minor can not confer citizenship to their children. Stanley was a minor in Aug. 1961. She was a natural born citizen, but a minor.

 

Unless of course she was unmarried.

And legally she probably wasn't.

 

This is your argument killer. Please realize the fact Washington was a NBC means your entire position becomes completely nuked. The justification for putting in "Citizen" is on the claim they had to do this because there were no NBCs old enough to run for office. Washington was considered a NBC at the time. Since he was born in 1732 that means there were a lot of NBCs. That means your entire argument rests on a false premise.

 

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

 

George Washington was born after 1776? really?

anyway, yes the expiration is written into the clause. "citizen at the time of signing" means everyone alive at that time. everyone born after that would be a NBC, everyone alive at the time of signing was an "exception" citizen who is eligible to be POTUS.

Try and convince arnold to run, and see what happens.

I'm not sure if you're being intentioanlly obtuse here, or what but you are blatantly wrong here. I don't agree with NB lightly, but in this case he is correct.

 

Post the law...

She was fully vested in her US citizenship at birth.

 

He has some weird idea that citizenship doesn't kick in until a certain age... which is totally ridiculous.

Further, it doesn't matter whether she was married or not.

There is nothing in the law that says a US citizen must be married or must by 18 or 21 for their citizenship to activate.

 

You. Flat. Out. Freaking. Lied. I never made a "statement" there were no NBCs old enough for office. I cannot believe you actually used font to try and change what I said.

I said you guys made the claim there were no NBCs old enough. How flucking freaking pathetic does one have to be to actually do what you just tried to pull?

Don't ever quote my post then rewrite to suit your agenda. Quote exactly what was posted without editing then post your response.

 

Look at where the comma is in clause 5 because you literally keep rewriting it to make your argument appear stronger. There is no expiration date in the Clause at all. Once more I will point out Hamilton wanted to put in an expiration date but it didn't get put in there. Why do you think that is?

Washington didn't have to be born after 1776. When the DOC was signed it abolished all allegiences to Britain which made Washington's birthplace Virginia which made him a NBC. Look at every bio on Washington and notice his birthplace is listed as Virginia. How are you going to claim someone born in Virginia is not a NBC? Simply because of the year? Lol. To them at the time Washington was considered a NBC. That is why they did not define a NBC in the Constitution because they understood everyone* born on US soil was a NBC even if the year predated 1776. That was not the only time a NBC status was applied retroactively but it was
the first time.

*Meaning white (generally land owning) men. Women and minorities were not considered Citizens.

 

I don't know how to dumb this down any further. the expiration date was when the last person alive at the time of signing died. That "exception" subclass of citizen expired when the last "exception" citizen died.

Try and convince arnold to run and see what happens.

 

A better way to ignore posts is to not quote them. Why even waste our time if you're not going to respond to the points?

Why don't you show us a single bio on Washington that does not list VA as his place of birth? Or just keep ignoring the points....

 

I am really liking this Skystryker-

Its like having Naturalborn debate another Naturalborn.

 

You've ignored several points and im not going to repeat them because you will ignore them again.

Did you ever find a bio where it does not list Washington as born in VA? No. Do you know why? That is where he was born. It doesn't matter the Constitution wasn't ratified because when the DOC was signed it erased all ties to britain. That means every British subject (white man) born on US soil instantly became a NBC. You've ignored the fact Washington was seen as a NBC by his contemporaries....as well as other points. But keep pretending you've addressed them while you keep inserting a mythical expiration date into Clause 5. There is no exception clause. It is all Clause 5.

 

Just another one without the balls to address the facts. But thanks for the whine-by. Cheers!

 

There is two forms of citizenship. Natural Born and Naturalized citizens.

One you are born into being a citizen. and the other you are a immigrant and take the oath and all that fun and boring stuff... and then you become naturalized.

There is just plain citizenship. and there is no citizenship born outside the U.S.

 

Huh?

Thousands of Natural born US citizens (citizens at birth) are born overseas every year.

 

I don't know what else to tell you. I've thoroughly proven you wrong. but I give up.

convince arnold to run, and see what happens.

 

yes and they are Natural Born. what Is stated is. There is not a different class citizenship because you are born out of the U.S.

You are going to either fall in as being a Natural Born citizen. or you are going to do all the fun papers. and become a Naturalized citizen.

it does not matter if you were born in the U.S. or if you were born in Mexico. if you parents are U.S. citizens then you will be a natural born citizen.

so if Obama was born in Hawaii, or Japan, or Kenya, or in he*l since his mother was a U.S. citizen then so is he.

There are only two ways to become citizens. the ones born into it. and those who are naturalized.

I did not mean that just because you are not born in the U.S. does not make you a citizen.

 

Well put and yes you are correct.. I misunderstood you.

And your US Passport states the PLACE of BIRTH.

The one thing that birthers must have in common is that none of them have passports.

 

Article II of our Constitution has a lot to say about how a would-be President is born. "Natural born Citizen" status requires not only birth on U.S. soil but also birth to parents who are both U.S. citizens by birth or naturalization. This unity of jus soli (soil) and jus sanguinis (descent) in the child at the time of birth assures that the child is born with sole allegiance (obligation of fidelity and obedience to government in consideration for protection that government gives (U.S. v. Kuhn, 49 F.Supp.407, 414 (D.C.N.Y)) and loyalty to the United States and that no other nation can lay any claim to the child's (later an adult) allegiance and loyalty. Indeed, under such birth circumstances, no other nation can legally or morally demand any military or political obligations from that person. The child, as he/she grows, will also have a better chance of not psychologically struggling with conflicted allegiance and loyalty to any other nation.

 

No it doesn't say that at all.. try reading ..

Either he must be born on US soil or he must have a parent who is a US citizen.. its either or... not both.

Trump's parents weren't US citizens when he was born in Queens. .. but he is Natural Born.....

You have to learn to read and not be blinded by your agenda.