Why would anyone trust Trump?

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  1. Borat

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    So nothing on Hillary sending our troops to Iraq, millions of jobs to China and trillions of borrowed in our name dollars to her corporate masters? No surprises here.


    But thank you for the reminder that Trump is supported by the good guys while Hillary is on the payroll of Saudi Royal family and is supported by every radical islamic , violent anarchist and marxist, racist BLM, the Black Panthers and la Raza scum.
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    more lies from you. You have no evidence that these groups have endorsed Hillary.

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    YOU supported the Iraq War back in 2003.

    and your Messiah Trump, used to employ illegal aliens.
     
  3. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    Yep, who cares if they're historical treasures. Use 'em for skeet shooting!

    I, personally, think it's a crime against history to destroy centuries-old artwork. If you don't care, bully for you. You sound like a Trump supporter.
     
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    She has her flaws is the understatement of the century and that you have not said a word about her completely disqualifies your OP as one-sided, partisan and biased. But let's talk about her for a change:

    -Hillary has zero positive accomplishments, in her 25 year in public service you can't name one thing that she has done for the middle class or the poor
    -Hillary has absolutely zero ideas for the next four years, her platform is "business as usual" when the country is closing in on the proverbial cliff
    -She was wrong on Iraq - thousands of our toops died and hundreds of billions were wasted in vain
    -She was wrong on the withdrawal from Iraq - that created ISIS, the horrible turmoil in the Middle East and the refugee crisis
    -She was wrong on Libya (Obama acknowledged that)
    -She was wrong on Syria
    -She was wrong on NAFTA
    -She was wrong on other trade deals which she enthusiastically supported and promoted
    -Benghazi
    -eMail scandal
    -skyrocketing national debt at $20 trillion and counting
    -the enormous gap between the 1% and the rest
    -disappearing middle class


    On her watch the country lost the middle class, the Middle East, borders, international prestige, millions of jobs, trillions of dollars
    This is not a complete list of course, but your claim that anyone can possibly be worse than her is not serious. If her record represents competence, I will gladly go with "incompetence" Especially if it's personified by a successful businessman who's built a business empire, made billions and is employing 55,000 americans Sorry
     
  5. Ronstar

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    Trump is taking $100 million from smelly Neo-Zionist pig Sheldon Adelson.

    what's not to trust?

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    LOL nice try. Hillary was a senator, the wife of the former president. She got the same information that Bernie and a few other principled democrats did and she supported the war knowing full well that it was a mistake. She simply had no guts to stand up for what was right even if not popular. She is not presidential material.

    Oh and for the record I voted for Gore and Kerry.
     
  7. Ronstar

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    and as a Neo-Con, who supports the right-wing Israeli agenda, I have NO doubt that you supported the Iraq War back in 2003.

    it was really good for Israel, huh?
     
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    Sure I do, Trump is a speculator. Some times you roll the dice and crap out. But Trump is a developer who likes building things like I do. I build something or manufacture something or I'm part of the team doing it and I'm able to step back and admire what I accomplished. I say I did that. I take pride in what I have produced. So does Trump.

    I only know two people who actually worked for Trump. One worked side by side with Trump on one projects for a year and it had nothing to do with real estate or building a hotel, casino or a high rise. Trump is different from most big whig CEO's or multi billionaires. Instead of telling his secretary get Joe on the phone I have a question that needs to be answered, he actually picks up the phone and dials the number.

    The other person was just a subcontractor on one of Trump's construction projects. He said that Trump knows more than most building inspectors and construction contractors. Actually he's a structural engineer without a BS degree in engineering hanging on his wall. OJT.
    And he's a perfectionist. He said he watched Trump walk through the construction site and looking closely at what materials were being used.

    "Those 4X4 are struck #2, get them off my job site, I want #1."
    "This sheet rock is chi-com sheetrock, who's the drywaller contractor ?"..."You're fired" !
    "These electrical boxes aren't made in the USA, get them of my job site"

    Trump has a big thing about being made in the USA.

    Trump even knows what a nailing schedule is and knows the building codes like he knows Ivana's tits.

    Who Donald Trump really is ? He's an American patriot who has had enough and has come out of the closet.
     
  10. raytri

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    I'm fine talking about Hillary. I have no illusions that she is a perfect candidate.

    Talk about partisan bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Zero? Really?

    I see that your "25 years of public service" includes her time as First Lady. Even then, she headed up the health-care reform task force, which was an effort to keep health-care affordable. It failed due to GOP opposition, but she was trying. And that was just as First Lady.

    Also as First Lady, she got CHIP -- Children's Health Insurance Program -- launched. It provides health coverage to children whose parents were too poor to afford it.

    She championed the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which fixed some structural problems with the nation's foster-care system, making it easier to adopt special-needs children.

    She also championed the Foster Care Independence Act, which provided resources for foster children transitioning to adulthood.

    She lent her support to reading programs and immunization drives. as well as an initiative to get older women to have mammograms.

    She also raised the profile of veterans of the first Gulf War who were suffering from illnesses contracted there.

    All that just as First Lady.
    http://www.firstladies.org/biographies/firstladies.aspx?biography=43

    I'll pause here to see if you want to admit you were wrong yet.
     
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    This is from the man that Trump is taking $100 million from:

    "Adelson has said his most important issue when considering which candidates to support in U.S. elections is "the safety of Israel""
     
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    lol so I ask you to tell me how illegal immigrants and Syrian refugees are good for America and you can only come up with they are good for trumps business.. the person trying to stop them coming in? Thats the most illogical response I think I have read here.

    wow..
     
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    Trump hired many illegal aliens
     
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    And she also participated in pardoning a turkey 8 years in a row... Come on, this is not serious, HillaryCare failed (unfortunately but it did) which is exactly what I said, she had no accomplishments, she in fact wasted a ton of resources and abandoned the effort. I am not defending the Republicans but the point is simple - it was a failure. Obama passed his Obamacare bill, Bush passed Medicare drug benefits bill, and Hillary failed.

    The rest is nice pretty minor inconsequential charity work which all first ladies do and her "foster care" experience does not make her any more qualified for the Oval office than Barack Obama's "community organizer" skills did. And that was all happening while with her enthusiastic support and approval millions of jobs were moving overseas, the troops were dying in Iraq, trillions were wasted, the gap between the rich and the rest was skyrocketing, so was the national debt. Lest we forget her corruption, her $200,000/hr speeches, her Saudi donations while millions of americans were paying a fortune at the pump and losing their houses to the Wall Street housing scam.

    Trump was building a huge and profitable empire, employing tens of thousands of americans and you don't give him credit for that. Hillary was doing some charity work as the first lady and according to you that makes her qualified to be the leader of the free world and the commander in chief. Duh

    She has failed and/or she has been wrong on every major issue that the country faces - outsourcing, immigration, the war in Iraq, the fact that you have not addressed a single item in my list is quite telling.
     
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    If that's true, he'd do far better giving the money directly to Israel than trying to inflict this moron on the U.S.
     
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    Trump says American workers are overpaid and we need to keep wages low.
     
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    LOL! Hand waving to dismiss the evidence. And forgetting that this was JUST HER TIME AS FIRST LADY. If you really want me to start enumerating her activity as a Senator, I will. It will just make the list longer, however.

    But before we leave her First Lady years, I want to be clear: So according to you, the 1990s was a time of economic disaster, when millions of jobs were moving overseas, troops were dying in Iraq, and the national debt was skyrocketing? You really want to go with that?

    Is Hillary perfect? Of course not. She has made mistakes, and done things I disagree with.

    Do I expect perfection from my candidates? No.

    Is Hillary my dream candidate? No.

    But between her and Trump, she is the only one who is even remotely qualified for the job.
     
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    where's your evidence for these charges?

    if this was published, you could be sued for libel.
     
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    Sorry but all you've done was provided some inconsequential charity work she did
    you haven't refuted a single item on my list of her failures, lies, bad judgements, disastrous votes and decisions.
    you have not provided even a shred of serious policy or legislature that she successfully implemented

    PS lest we forget that she (and you) took credit for Children's Health Insurance Program which was bipartisan legislature spearheaded by Ted Kennedy and Orin Hatch... Hillary did play a supporting role in promoting the legislature but taking credit for the entire bill is truly rich.
     
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    Hillary fights for the working man, while Trump thinks American workers are overpaid.
     
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    Trump employees give excellent reviews to their employer

    Trump Organization Employee Reviews in United States
    http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Trump-Organization/reviews?fcountry=US

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    For the wall street working man that it. And she charges 200,000/hr silver pieces for her fight.
     
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    you attacked Trumps policy to shut down illegal immigrants and 2 times you have dodged on why Illegal immigration and Syrian refugees are good for America.

    So I take it that you agree with Trump to shut them down? If not how about you actually answer the question and tell me why its good for America
     
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    Trump says American workers are overpaid and we should keep wages low.

    so much for being a champion for the working class

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    evidence?
     
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    Now you are trolling again Yawn.

    PS what do you know about the working class? They are with Trump, not you or Hillary.
     
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    stating the facts isn't trolling.

    these are direct quotes from Trump
     

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