In other words, you are spouting rubbish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Europe: Eurobarometer poll 2005: Belief that "there is a God" per country: Had you bothered to read the first page of this thread, you would have learned that I am from France, and that what you consider spitting, I call catharsis:
Why not .. Almost anything is permissable when it comes to advancing the cause of God's chosen people. Joshua 8 and in numerous other places: Why would God think any differently about Napoleon's killing of the enemy of the Israelites ?
Of course, no-one is truly innocent. I'm sure you remember Mark Twain's two "Reigns of Terror" and I agree with this sentiment. But please don't scare the Christians away, we could use a draw.
Giftedone, now listen deep-stick to the topic at hand...there are already lots of threads damming and praising the Israelites...this one is about the French - tabarnak! The only comparison I would suffer is with an Englishman, so don't insult me!
He comes from France. Why don't you read the Moliere quote in my signature and really think about it. There are two Frances (at least). The Gaullist, conservative, any-semitic theocratic one throughout history has not proved to be the most attractive.
My Dad always told me that Limbo was supposed to be a pleasant version of Earth (after all, the unbaptised babies don't deserve fire and brimstone). Although a devout Catholic he admitted that this made it sound more attractive than Heaven. Catholics (even Club Catholics) will understand.
But France is Heaven. Or at least it would be if the French weren't there. The food is the best in the world, the women the most beautiful, it has the best mountains, Mediterranean coastline, rocky Brittany shores, sexy cities... As I say... it's just the people...and then even not all the people... just the Parisians really.... What a city though: a boulangerie on every corner.
Je parlais bien de Paris... Je ne savais pas, désolée. Je ne pense pas qu'on puisse vraiment faire le lien entre le nationalisme Européen et Américain... Je veux dire, sur un forum Européen, on ne trouverais jamais des sujets comme ici, sur l'Islam, par exemple. Quasiment personne ne se permettrait de poster ce genre de sujet, ça serait très mal vu, et, si quelqu'un le faisait malgré tout, le sujet serait surement vite fermé... Enfin, il y a beaucoup de différences, à mon avis. J'ai l'impression qu'en Europe, nous sommes plus tolérants. The state is secular, but, the people who live in France are not. They choice their religion; and the stade is secular for respect all of them. Yes, I think you're right.
They don't like it if we talk in a foreign language on here (si on le fait un peu c'est permis je crois, mais seulement un peu; moi je voudrais pratiquer mon francais beaucoup plus, mais je craigne qu'on supprime mon poste si j'ecris trop en francais). I am not sure why you can't see the links between American and European nationalism though. Not my experience of France. I have sat and heard employees of Big 4 Accounting firms say explicitly to staff of their clients that arabs are all thieves. When I challenged this I was told that as an English person I could not understand. Somebody doing the same thing in the USA would be in serious danger of being fired for such indiscretion. Maybe on political forums they self censor. Americans certainly do not do that. But the hatred of arabs that I have encounteredin France is widespread. Let's face it, 5 million French vote for an openly racist party. In my opinion France is much WORSE and MORE RACIST than the USA. Most of the racists that you encounter in America are white trash, dirt poor, uneducated scum. In France racism permeates the educated as well.
Always, I don't think that your stat don't count the agnositcs... There's a lot in France. Yes, of course, you're French. And me, I'm Chinese ...
The question asked was, "do you believe there is a god," and less than 40 % of respondents in France said "yes." That means the majority of the French people do not believe in a god. That means you are spouting rubbish and incidentally must be a bloody idiot. What do you have against the Chinese?
What a crock clarisse! The biggest majority of the French people with French origins? What is that even supposed to mean? Be careful, you sound like a bloody racist.
Only the Republican French will go to hell, because they are the only ones who believe in a God that sends people to hell.
I wrote a French haiku for you Admirant Vénus, affublé de tristes yeux, Nul ne sait s'il était le plus heureux des dieux; Mais il était celui faisant le plus d'affaires: Hadès, dieu des enfers!
-Claims to be a Christian -Loves the film "Pulp Fiction" despite the fact that it contains nudity and a gay sex scene
Look at the Puritanism! I am a Christian. I sin. I try to look at the plank in my own eye before I look for the splinter in yours. I am not without sin so I don't pick up stones to judge the next person. I love the parable of the Good Samaritan and see all humanity as my neighbour, no matter what their culture or religion. I don't consort with prostitutes, as Christ did, but I am not a sanctimonious prick about those who do. I regard sexual "sin" as the least important except if it hurts people. I think when God judges me he will ask me what I did for the poor, the sick and the downtrodden, as Christ described. I believe that it is harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven than for a camel to get through that little gate called "the Eye of a Needle". I believe that the first shall be last and the last first. I have read the New Testament and the Gospels in particular and tried to digest them. You?
Ah, ok! I don't think that you need to pratice a lot, I would want speak English as you speak French. Where have you been, in France?... There's some places where people aren't very tolerants, where a lot of them votes for the FN, but, fortunately, that's not like that in all the France... I've never hear something like that where I live...! Openly racist party? You're speaking about FN? Now, they aren't openly racist... Marine Lepen isn't as her dad, she had never say any racist thing... More and more people think that the FN isn't a racist party, that's why there are more and more popular... Marine Lepen try to "normalize" her pary, and, unfortunately, she do it well.
And, where are the people who have a doubt? I repeat that they haven't count the agnostics. Why you think that I have a problem with Chinese people?... I just said I don't think that you're French. That's very strange to speak about your own country like that!... What a stupid charge... Now, I'm racist because I'm speaking about people's origin?!... I don't try to understand your stupid reasoning... We are speaking about Chritians people who are less numerous in France, that why I speak about the origins of the people, because not all the French people are Christians or come from Christian family, there's other religion. The bigest majority of French people who have French origin come from a Chritian family, so, I speak about people's origin, that's all. That's not racist.
Do you think agnostics should have answered "yes" when asked if they believed in a god? Do you not realise how stupid that sounds? As for your stat about French people with French origins coming from a Christian family, it doesn't exist, because it is illegal in the French Republic to make such polls. You don't seem to know much about this country, do you? From Gallup, another poll in 2008 asked people "does religion occupy an important place in your life" and 73% of respondents in France have answered "no". Do you think they all come from foreign families with strange backgrounds? Or do you start to realise that you belong to a paranoid and xenophobic minority? Tell you what, however. I don't give a flying feck whether you believe or not that I am French (who the feck are you). But it seems my Frenchness clearly outweighs yours since I am able to joke about my country without fear of being an outcast (la France, tu l'aimes ou tu la quittes - hahaha, grow a pair).
No, Paris is right. Tell me about the French origins of Sarkozy for example. This "French origins" stuff is the language of the fascist Right. The reason why the neo Nazi FN has so much support is because of Gaullists who pander to such sentiment. Such filth is widely acceptable in France. There is no line anyone has to crioss to vote for neo Nazi apologists for Vichy. Because De Gaulle himself, the traitor to the Allies in the end, apologized for them and ordered that it all be hushed up "pour la patrie francaise". As a clever Englishman once said "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel". This sort of inuendo would NOT be acceptable in the United States and if anyone in Britain talked about British origins we would be asking them what that meant: Celtic? Roman? Angle? Jute? Saxon? Norman? Jewish? French Huegenot? African? Slavic Refugee? Romany? Ugandan Asian? West Indian? Pakistani? Indian? Irish? France is not so different. I am grateful for you two French person for this debate. It is helping me to sort out my love hate feelings for the country. I may be an Atlanticist and pro globalization, which sets me up against both of you, but there is something about the French Left, the French Republican tradition, especially when tempered by French Jews like Bernard Henri Levy (perhaps clarisse he is another person of dubious "French origins"), the French respect for intellectuals (Marcel Desailly on chat shows in France about French politics), the exquisite taste of the French for style and cuisine...there I am now transported to my favourite hotel in Paris near the Pere Lachaise cemetery and am walking to the graves of Oscar Wilde and Jim Morrison, past the memorials to the Jews and other victims of the Nazis ("not of French orgin")... Quand je balance un oeil Sur cette ville éternelle, Bleu ou gris, qu'importe le ciel. Quel que soit l'enthousiasme Ou la couleur des larmes, De plus en plus je me rappelle. People of French orgin! Ugh! I choose the mullatos from les banlieus every day over "people of French origin"! The France of Zobi La Mouche. Exotic, exilhirating...free France.
