Will the Hunter Biden gun charge prompt the GOP to advocate for background check enforcements?

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    I know all those things. I was once a gun dealer. Again, my point is that the form is not used in a background investigation. If there is a disqualifying response on the form, the sale doesn't happen. The background check with ATF doesn't need to happen and won't happen. The background check is done by ATF by telephone. The form is not used in any way other than to disqualify a purchase before a background check. You have my apologies for my inability to get you to understand. I gave up alredy. Leave me alone.
     
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    Context clues are important: We're discussing a bone fide failure here, not an error.
     
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    Fact remains.
     
  4. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure! it sounds fair. Enforced checks for everyone (unless your name is hunter and your daddy's name is joe)
     
  5. Reality

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    If there is a disqualifying response yes. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a person lying on the form and failing the check.
    Which is a crime, the evidence of which is: The 4473. Why? Because the 4473 authorizes the check in the first place.

    You can stop talking any time you'd like. I also encourage you to use the block function if you're much afeared of someone calling you on your stories.
     
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  6. fmw

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    I'll battle with you since you won't leave me alone. Let me try English that is easier to understand. What we are talking about is the process for buying a gun from a gun dealer and the FACT that the form is not involved in a background check. Statements by a customer about him or herself are not a background check. A background investigation requires another party doing the work. I explained the purpose of the form several posts ago. You understand its purpose clearly. I know that because you described its purpose accurately.

    The form is not sent to ATF at the time of purchase. The responses are not shared with the ATF during the phone call. The only information provided to the ATF is the personal information of the customer. The ATF does the background check by computer and the form is not a part of it.

    If the customer lies on the form, it will not affect the outcome of the background check. The ATF will approve the sale if the customer doesn't appear in its database with a disqualifying history. THE FORM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A BACKGROUND CHECK. It is tool for possible future prosecution as you said. Call a gun dealer and get this information from him. Perhaps that will help you understand better. Obviously I have failed to make you understand it.
     
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    The form is involved in the background check: You can't run one by the phone with the BATFE without having one filled out and filed away in your book. Why? Because lying on one is a crime and the form is their best evidence of same.

    I didn't say it was. I didn't say they were. I simply pointed out the legal fact that the 4473 being filed with you, authorizes you to request a background check and that if they've lied on the form its a crime the best evidence of which is the form itself with their John Hancock.

    The customer lying on the form does indeed effect the check. If they'd been truthful you'd have told them to **** off. Since they lied, they committed a crime, and lying on the form to try the check very much effected that.
     
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