With 58,000 dead, pandemic becomes Trump's Vietnam — in just six weeks

You know you statement is false.

Cite the information available on January 31 that soundly supports this action.

When should he have done this, and based on what information available at the time?

When should he have done this, and based on what information available at the time?

When should he have done this, and based on what information available at the time?

When should he have done this, and based on what information available at the time?

 

I absolutely have responded to this "question" previously. I guess you need to pay closer attention

It's not rocket surgery to understand that an infection dangerous enough to cause a travel shutdown, probably spread to other parts of the globe...and then could spread back to us. In fact we watched in horror as Italy died...and Trump did nothing

Again...not rocket surgery. If you're bringing thousands of people back from an infected region...you don't pack them into airport terminals for hours and then spit them out into the general population

See above. I understand that your are mindlessly repeating yourself but...

Because testing is HOW governments deal with pandemics and Trump claims he understood it was a pandemic in January

Imagine anyone thinking that PPE and ventilators might be needed to deal with a pandemic. !!!

 

Kind of revealing that you didn't even dispute THAT one

 

I guess you need to pay closer attention
Nowhere in your previous responses have you specified what actions should have taken place, when, and why, based on what information; your current "responses" are no different.

Thus:
Still waiting for you to tell us, absent the benefit of hindsight, what Trump should have done, when, and why.
Odd how you continue to avoid this.

 

Misrepresenting??? Sorry, I have provided complete quotes, podcasts and video of Fauci. If presenting the unedited statements by Fauci is considered misrepresentation, then it's only because you can't stand the truth, because it refutes your carefully guarded version os an alternate reality.

 

They will continue to ignore it, since all they do is recite propaganda, like mindless sheeple. A lot of these folks are probably mindless, leftist misinformation flunkies. They are incapable, and unwilling of proving anything they say, and they all seem to repeat the same things.

 

First the plague, and now famine.

Trump and the oligarchs are forcing workers to return to the meat packing plants. These are the same meat plants managers that kept secret workers were sick and dying.

All pandemic relief payments have been deliberately funneled through employers to force workers to choose between dying from Covid, or paying the rent.

In three months the streets of America will be filled with evicted families. 30 million Americans have applied for unemployment in the last six weeks. In Florida, Gov. Rick Scott deliberately designed the state unemployment online application website to fail to discourage the unemployed from receiving benefits.

The Washington D.C mafia-fascist whore house has given employers legal immunity if their return-to-order results in your death.

Trump is from corporate America and is here to make a profit.

Americans will soon figure out that there will be no long term Federal help, and that they are completely on their own.

Trump and his mafia organization has used Federal power to hoard desperately needed medical supplies then selling some supplies at 1,000X percent of cost.

The U.S is not even finished with the first wave of pandemic deaths, but Wall Street is impatient with the stay-at-home-orders. Americans will be forced to return to work too early and will cause a second wave of Covid deaths disrupting world food production. Be ready for a massive increase in food prices by next year.

While all this is happening, the Trump adimin. is using this pandemic to execute a full fledged Disaster Capitalism policies to establish Neo-Liberalism fully, and permanently.

Currently, the international Trump mafia-fascist syndicate is responsible for 20.5X times the death toll of the 9/11 terrorist attack carried out by H. Bush's former Saudi business partners.

Trump as Marvel comics mega-death villain Thanos, complete with Infinity Gauntlet “snapping” away 61,123 American lives.

Trump is killing you.

Trump is murdering your family at this very moment.

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Near as I can tell, this is your first post on the CV-19 issue - from March.

Why didn't you bring up all the things you listed back then?
Before then?

 

LOL. I did but not in that post.

Thanks for pointing out how far behind the curve we were (when it mattered crucially) back then though

South Korea is doing WAYYY better than we are...partly BECAUSE they tested so much so early

 

False.
Disagree?
Cite the post(s) and quote the text.

 

So you saw this and posted after with that comment? I gave you the benefit of the doubt the first time and "assumed you missed it" when I posted it previously. Now we can all see that you are just dishonestly trolling

Ignore?

Hardly. You folks seem to do that quite often though

 

Apparently, you didn't read ALL of post # 179.

Nowhere in your previous responses have you specified what actions should have taken place, when, and why, based on what information; your current "responses" are no different.

And so, as before, you failed to address the question.

Thus:
Still waiting for you to tell us, absent the benefit of hindsight, what Trump should have done, when, and why.
Odd how you continue to avoid this.

 

Yes, ignore.

You provide nothing to back up your claims, for your convenient 20/20 hindsight criticism of what Trump should have done.

Under what basis, and given what information, was Trump supposed to do all those things you claim? His own medical science advisors were telling him the virus was a very low risk, and the WHO was claiming that the virus was not transmittable between people, and yet Trump banned flights from China, instituted quarantine procedures for incoming travelers and declared a nation medical emergency, while being criticized as overreacting, being a racist, and being xenophobic.

You essentially wanted Trump to fix all the systemic failures by our career federal employee professionals in the various federal health agencies, which had continued throughout the Bush and Obama admins. Trump was supposed to know that the CDC testing was going to be a failure? He should have known that the federal agencies were not properly restocking PPE and ventilators for the national stockpile?

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall in February or March, when the CDC told Trump

1. No - we cannot perform enough COVID-19 tests, because we have an FDA rule preventing us from doing that
2. No - we don’t have enough PPE in the stockpile, because we never restocked any of it after the SARS and H1N1 outbreak
3. No - we don’t have enough ventilators, we haven’t had enough ventilators, even though we were told about it almost two decades ago.
4. Oh, but we spent $15 billion telling taxpayers how to eat better, $90 million on taxpayer grants to Chinese researchers, and $106 million on a really nice visitor center decorated with waterfalls and Japanese gardens and a $200,000 fitness center with saunas and zero-gravity chairs.

 

So, you are saying the lockdowns, quarantines, "shelter-in-place" haven't worked. So why are many governors continuing those?

I get this all the time. Repeatedly Dems tell me if only Trump had responded appropriately, been prepared, etc. Always I put them on the spot by asking what exactly Trump should have done that he didn't do. There is never a response, except stuttering and looking down at their feet.

 

Because they only know what they hear on MSNPC.
Because they have been programmed to scream "ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!' first, and think second.
Or third.
Or not at all.

 

Trump' own claim that he understood it was a pandemic in Janiary

We could have used the tests that South Korea used. They performed near flawlessly. And besides...FDA rules can be waived by the President...in fact he has done that in some cases..

How long ago wass that? How long has Trump been Prez? What did he do about it in JANUARY...nothing

See above. We managed to find them...when he finally got around to actually doing it...in what...late March?

That doesn't even total a billion...are you serious? Oh...it was just troll ****

 

They've kept the death toll from being in the millions...

But we're gonna see how things go in Georgia...right?

 

A countries leader is still responsible for the outcome of what a virus or natural disaster does to their country, regardless of where it came from. Bush was responsible for the amount of people who suffered after Katrina, the amount of people who died in Iraq and Afghanistan, Trump will be held responsible for the economic and personal damage done to this country. It comes with being elected to the highest office in the land. And if you don't take responsibility, that means you're a coward and have no reason for anyone to reelect you.

"Social distancing" will go down as one of the stupidest phrases in history. Viruses can travel further than six feet, I figure as a healthcare practitioner, you should know this. Masks put the individual themselves at a higher risk, so there's not much of a benefit to requiring people wear masks. The CDC lost their credibility on this issue when they were late to declare this a pandemic, so why should anyone take their guidelines seriously? I'm not a right-winger, and I get how obscenely ridiculous the amount of "precautions" is growing to be.

 

Unsupportable nonsense.
Natural disasters are just that - natural disasters - and are, to a level that approaches 100%, unaffected by man.

If you're serious, then you also believe...
Asteroid hits earth tomorrow - the outcome is Trump's fault
Yellowstone caldera erupts next week - the outcome is Trump's fault
San Andreas fault lets go on June 1st - the outcome is Trumps fault.

The blind hyper-partisanship of you people knows no bounds.

 

And, surely, you give Trump credit for saving those millions.
Right?

 

Yeh, right. With all due respect I doubt you've ever talked to a liberal in your life

In any case, I can say what Trump should and shouldn't have done


A. He shouldn't have taken the stupid, bellicose and bigoted attitude to the Chinese that he did. This convinced them that they had to be secretive and even deceptive about any diseases that they had there. Had American doctors been able to work on Cor 19 from the beginning it would have almost certainly been contained long before it spread even outside of Wuhan and be nothing but a laboratory curiosity by now. I have talked to epidemiologists I know and they are unanimous in saying that epidemics like this come up about twice a year in China routinely and they are routinely handled by International councils of doctors, mainly Americans, who Trump ordered home. This pandemic is Trump's doing, pure and simple. He is a mass murderer, probably the worst in this century

B. He shouldn't have disbanded the Pandemic Awareness Office

C. He should have listened to the multiple warnings he had that something like this was very likely. The first of these warnings was before he even became President and he ignored them all. Countering actions suggested were mainly what nations like South Korea and Taiwan actually did with notable success

D. Even after all this all he had to do was listen to the warnings and do what was clearly recommended and already being done by South Korea. He did not. I don't have any evidence for this but I believe he wanted to let the disease "burn itself out" as he had in fact suggested early on.

Is this enough? I can go into much more detail if you like.

 

Tell us, specifically, and based only on the knowledge available at the time, what he should have done, when, and why.

 

Who do you suppose owns the Wuhan Project that funded the infecting of the world. Start here:


On April 17th, Newsmax reporter Emerald Robinson asked President Trump if the NIH (the United States National Institute of Health) gave a grant of $3.7 million to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2015 during the Obama administration. It turns out, the original grant was given to a non-profit called the EcoHealth Alliance in 2014. It was EcoHealth that gave some of the $3.7 million to the Wuhan Laboratory. EcoHealth is a global environmental organization that is “dedicated to a ‘One Health’ approach to protecting the health of people, animals and the environment from emerging infectious diseases,” according to their website.

https://andymaypetrophysicist.com/2020/04/25/nih-payments-to-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology/

So, environmentalism created the Boeing 737 Max 8, it burned California to save the delicate ecosystems under power lines by burning them, and now it funded the creation of a global plague.

 

Rep Chris Murphy (D-CT) scored a $151,000 contribution from the ChiComs to blame Trump for the Wuhan Plague funded by Fauci in 2014. If you aren't being paid at least that as a foreign agent for China, you've been hosed.

 

a pandemic only means that a new virus exist in multiple countries at the same time that's all. And while President Trump declared a National Health Emergency in January his experts were telling him Americans should not be worried about covid-19 and the US was at a very low risk.

As soon as President Trump found out about the failures with the CDC abilities to conduct proper testing, and as soon as President Trump found out the FDA and regulations which prevented private companies from providing the required amount of testing, then President Trump went into action and ordered the FDA to write these new changes to their regulations and then President Trump had to sign the regulation changes into law. so it is not as simple as the president's snapping his fingers and making it so there is still bureaucratic red tape to go through to get these changes done.

Keep in mind these regulations with the FDA and the CDC's policy for testing procedures were systemic failures which had been continued throughout at least three U.S. presidential Administrations. You are assuming President Trump was supposed to ferret out all of these future failures all on his own and made changes to them all in the month of January? How? He wasn't even aware that these failures existed until the CDC and the NIH tried to put their covid-19 policies into action and then fell flat on their faces

Your criticism of President Trump seems to hinge on the notion that the experts, the career professionals, working in the CDC the NIH in the HHS don't even exist. The singular purpose of those agencies is to write the policies and procedures and regulatory requirements, to ensure our nation can respond appropriately to virus outbreaks. They failed US, not Bush, not Obama, and certainly not Trump.