With 58,000 dead, pandemic becomes Trump's Vietnam — in just six weeks

Is this a joke thread? You cited CNN. The same network that equated Trump shutting down flights to China as "racist"...when now we know it was the best thing to do.

lol!

Back to the barracks for you, Pvt.

 

You are not that naive. Everyone knows by now that the DNC party bosses make up the rules as they go to fix the primaroes and the nomination. The cover-up has broken down.

“Brazile has written in a new book that she discovered evidence that she said showed Hillary Clinton’s campaign ***"rigged"*** the Democratic presidential primary.
"ABC's World News Tonight," "NBC Nightly News" and "CBS Evening News" all didn't report the allegations by Brazile on Thursday evening despite it receiving considerable coverage on cable news and in print and online media. Brazile was also trending as one of Twitter's top topics on Thursday.”
THE HILL, Network newscasts don't mention Brazile Clinton-DNC revelations, BY JOE CONCHA - 11/03/17. (*** mine)
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...-dont-mention-brazile-clinton-dnc-revelations

 

Actually I do have quite a few liberal friends. The thing I find most alarming about them is not that they hate Trump, but that they can't get through a single conversation without talking politics. I love talking politics, but this forum is my main indulgence. I don't talk politics with friends unless it's someone I know agrees with me. Why? Because there's no mileage in it; In the politically charged environment we are in now, no one is going to change anyone else's mind. And I do value my friendships. I do find that I spend less time with liberal friends now because they can't stand to not bring up Trump, so I tend to disappear. It's TDS all the time.

Thanks for being able to verbalize what you think was done wrong. Most of your comrades cannot. Of course, all of these are opinions. A. I just disagree with. B. Unsure what the Pandemic Awareness Office was or what it did, if anything. Sounds like a big bureaucratic waste of money to me. C. I didn't hear warnings. SK and Taiwan are much smaller countries than U.S.

I'm sure, no matter who was making the decisions, in retrospect we will find things wrong. And learn from them.

 

This is kind of funny. You asked: "what exactly Trump should have done that he didn't do" and when you get a cogent answer your response is "like, that's your opinion man".

 

Isn't citing our actual record here against the rules - or something?

 

So it's Trump's fault that the Chinese chose to play petty politics, and block the US CDC from assisting them early on??? That is the fault of the Chinese government, not ours. In fact the entire epidemic, and the many other viruses that have plagued the world from CHINA, is the fault of the Chinese government.

Besides, China later relented and begged the CDC to come assist.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/30/china-asks-cdc-help-investigate-wuhan-virus/

That is a red herring which you guys have beat like a dead horse. You cannot even tell us what, if anything, that team would have done, that the coronavirus task force has not done.

For one thing, that stupid team didn't catch any of the regulatory screw ups that plagued us early on. Screw ups, such as limited PPE, and ventilators, insufficient testing capability, and the FDA regs that Trump had to order be changed. So that team of Obama's was useless.

I see, so it's Trump's fault for not fixing all the systemic failures which had existed throughout all the previous administrations, even before Trump was president.

Trump listened to the experts, they started out underestimating the threat posed by this virus, then they lurched to the other extreme and over exaggerated the threat of this virus.

What do you suggest, that Trump ignore the advice of his experts, and start making dictatorial demands on the nation?? Yeah I'm sure that would have gone over well.

Trump banned flights from China, and the so called world experts were against him for doing it.

Health experts warn China travel ban will hinder coronavirus response

Public health experts have warned that travel bans are not effective at stemming the spread of a virus and can make responding to an outbreak more challenging.

“From a public health perspective, there is limited effectiveness. And then there are a host of other reasons why they can actually be counterproductive,” said Catherine Worsnop, who studies international cooperation during global health emergencies at the University of Maryland.

The World Health Organization, which declared the outbreak a global health emergency this week, has recommended against any travel or trade restrictions in response to the outbreak. Member countries, however, do not have to comply with that guidance.

“Although travel restrictions may intuitively seem like the right thing to do, this is not something that WHO usually recommends,” said Tarik Jašarević, a WHO spokesperson. “This is because of the social disruption they cause and the intensive use of resources required,” he added.

Experts said travel bans could lead to a slew of downstream effects and risk complicating the public health response.

“There’s not only the financial toll on a country that is dealing with this outbreak, but this can discourage transparency, both in this outbreak and in the future,” Worsnop said.

So which is it, should Trump listen to the experts over at the CDC, NIH and HHS, etc... or not?

 

But of course, something someone DID is fact; something someone ought to have done or should not have done is opinion. Because we will never know if it is fact.

For instance, Trump put a travel ban in place is fact. Trump should not have put a travel ban in place is opinion. Opinions differ.

 

and Trump hardly even acknowledges it, but he did acknowledge his buddy Kim taking ill

 

Virtually all Western countries have managed the pandemic better than the US.

So there's no way Trump's going to take the blame for anything.

 

Keeping TDS alive.

 

Link?

 

And Trump's "Answers" to Everything?

**The Virus is a Hoax
**It's Not My fault
**Inject Disinfectants

Wow.

And Trump actually expects to get re-elected?

 

Trump has TDS, he is patient zero, is he contagious? the right better not go to those TDS infested Trump rallies anymore

let's vote him out in 2020, too many on the left and right are at risk of becoming infected

 

You've offered absolutely no proof at all, but that's not surprising since that's all you Trump critics do, you label your charges and complaints against Trump you can't back them up with any facts. You just don't like him, so anything negative that pops into your heads you spew it out, as if it's fact. And when challenged you crawl back into your little cave and you don't have an answer

 

Makes it hard to respond when bypass the normal procedure for quoting.

Like I said you cannot tell me what Obama's pandemic response team was supposed to do. You can't show me what they did do, and you can't show me what they would have done differently then Trump's coronavirus task force is currently doing. So you just toss out that pandemic response team like a red herring.

Trump declared National Health Emergency at the end of January and within 2 months he was already fixing all of this systemic problems that had existed throughout the Bush and Obama presidencies. Obamas team never saw them.

So Trump, in 2 months, did more than Obama's pandemic response team, no wonder they were seen as useless and merged into other departments.

The systemic problems with not replenishing the national stockpile with PPE and ventilators had been going on since around 2007.

So no this was not Trump's fault. In fact I would go so far as to say it wasn't President Bush's fault, and it wasn't President Obama's fault.

I don't see how somebody can assume that a president it's going to be spending their days and nights perusing through the logs and databases of the national stockpile checking on the supplies of PPE and ventilators. And yet you expected this is what Trump should have done. Give me a break.

This response from you has been pathetic, just give it up.

 

no

 

It's titles like this that I never will understand. It smells of ultra partisanship amid a pandemic in which we as a nation should be united in fighting. Unlike JFK, LBJ, Nixon who made conscious decisions to fight and send troops to Vietnam, troops who went to Vietnam on their orders, there was no orders from Trump, no conscious decision to bring the CoronaVirus to the United States. Trump had no say in that, gave no order to have the Virus come here. The title is asinine in my opinion.

You may believe and disagree with how Trump has handled the virus, many do. But to blame him for the virus isn't right, it smacks of trying to take a political advantage over something Trump nor anyone else had any control over. This is like blaming Stalin for Hitler's invasion of Russia during WWII or blaming South Korea for North Korea's invasion of that country. Blaming the number of Russian dead on Stalin instead of Hitler's Germany and blaming the dead of South Korea on South Korea, not the North.

Now you can blame Stalin and South Korea for the performance of their troops, how they fought, but not for being invaded. There is no doubt the CoronaVirus invaded us, how Trump has fought that invasion is fair game. But to place the deaths caused by Hitler's Germany, North Korea and the Corona Virus as being caused, consciously by Trump is kind of idiotic in my opinion. Russia reacted, South Korea reacted, Trump reacted to the invasion which none had a thing to do with it. Now the reactions of each to the invasion can be dissected and talked about. But none were responsible for the invasion as JFK, LBJ and Nixon were for sending troops to Vietnam if you think that was a mistake.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If we compare the number of deaths with the total population, we can see that only four Western countries do worse than the US: France, Italy, UK and Spain.

All the others have a better record, including Canada.

Moreover, the mortality curve of these four countries is going down, which is not the case in the US.

If the trend continues, the US will have the worst record within a month.

But obviously, Trump had nothing to do with it...

 

Trump's has claimed his ace has always been on the 'business side' of running the country. The economy. But when asked by a reporter yesterday how he planned to get the country out of the ditch, this was his answer:

"Well, I think we're going to have a great third quarter. That's going to be a transition. So when I say 'great,' I think the transition is going to be really terrific. And we're going to take it into the fourth, and I think we're going to have, potentially, a great fourth quarter. There's tremendous pent-up demand.... I feel it. I feel it. I think sometimes what I feel is better than what I think, unfortunately or fortunately."

 

That was my point. You were, in fact, asking for an opinion. And it seemed to me you got one, with, like, logic and stuff to back it up.

 

^^^^^^ THIS

Thank you

 

With ZERO doubt, I can state that had your guy been in the White House instead of Trump, there would be absolutely ZERO outrage.

Conclusion: Wanting to blame Trump might be an indication of a political hack in progress.

Truth is, trump acted as quickly as ANY OTHER leader of ANY nation. Maybe faster. I followed the timeline. He responded promptly and properly with every announcement from the WHO and any other reliable sources.

What you suggest is pure fiction.

 

Can you point out where this "stuff to back it up" can be located?
Because it can't be found anywhere in this thread. Your "logic" appears to be, like, MIA

 

This is patently silly. There would be tons of outrage but it would be coming from YOU.