Women share their abortion experiences

A modicum of reading comprehension would tell anyone that she bore the child of her own free will.

Your point being...?

 

This is My point she had a choice. And she CHOSE to have the child. It wasnt something that was forced on her, so why would anyone want to take the choice from anyone.

Also My point being is if some people are Forced to have the child that doesnt mean they will be like the woman he described and be good parents. If you dont see that not everyone will see this child with the stipulation like her friends (who tell her she made the wronge choice) Forever to those women/men (Friends of hers) they will always see this child as "Product of rape" and they will never fully care for the child because of that. If anyone finds out outside of the childs friends she cares for or is someone turns on her, they can throw that at the child as well. She made a Good choice for her, But ultimitly it was HER choice. Not forced upon her.

 

I have shared my story on here actually. I have had an abortion and do not regret it. It was the best decision for me at the time. Not sure which post it was on but it really doesnt matter. Pro-choice or Pro-Life? Does it matter? Not like either of the sides will aver agree on anything. Whether its made illegal or not. Woman will get pregnant, some of them will have abortions. That is their choice and nothing can be done about it, no matter how much Pro-Lifers scream about it. If its made illegal, then woman will find a way (back alley, another country etc). I am obviously Pro-choice. I didnt enjoy the process (really, who would) and if I get pregnant again, I would like to think I am in a better place where I would not make the same choice. But, that is MY choice to live with, not anyone elses.

I understand the critcism of the ladies who use abortion as a form of birth control. I get that. I sat in the recovery room with ladies telling their stories and how many times they had been there and it made me sad. But I think it would have been more sad to hear of the children who are now being neglected or in state custody because their mothers didnt want them in the first place or cant take care of them. In a perfect world we wouldnt need the option of an abortion.

But we don't live in a perfect world.

 

Because the choice you want to legitimize is the choice to kill an innocent human being, obviously.

I'm not interested in mindless repetition. What I'm interested in is how this justifies deliberate homicide.

 

I suppose if I chose to blow some random guy's head off, he wouldn't have to live with my choice either, at least not for very long.

 

funny isn't it in another post your tell someone that you are "not interested in mindless repetition." and then just go ahead and post "mindless repetition" .. a case of do as I say not as I do.

 

Then it is also TRUE (because I said so) that all abortions are the result of a pregnancy that was inconvenient, hence there was an abortion for the sake of convenience.- Example A of why I do not understand how you came to this conclusion. My statement just then is an assumption based on nothing. Also, a poll would be a very hard thing to judge on, considering this feeling regarding abortions can be lied about, can change, and many other things. Its false, not to mention wrong that you would lump women together like that.

Perhaps you don't know the definition of convenience then. I could also say that every time you use the word "fetus" you are deliberately trying to minimize the wrong in the action by trying to take away the humanity of the person you are speaking about.

Inconvenience:Trouble or difficulty caused to one's personal requirements or comfort

Its not minimizing the effects, its describing what pregnancy is for many women. Also the reason for why many women get an abortion. Whether it be rape or not.

"Murder" is illegal killing. Abortion is technically illegal killing since it violates the inalienable right to life no matter what Roe vs. Wade resulted in. (the right is inalienable) If you prefer though I could you kill in the future.

Abortion is never/very rarely the right decision. That being said I do not think those who have abortions should be shamed, ostracized, or attacked in any manner what so ever. The decision was still wrong though and thus its shouldn't be allowed, just as a man pulling the trigger on a gun pointed at another person isn't allowed.

I agree completely, it should be their choice, hence when a rapist takes that choice from them, he should be executed. He has committed a crime with very far reaching extent. If you want to argue the death penalty though, this is not the place. My point should be clear, except in the case of rape she has already had the choice, the action was made, now she must accept those consequences. As I said previously, a man or woman pulls the trigger on a gun there are consequences. After sex, she has made her choice, there shouldn't be any going back, especially at the expense of someone else's life.

Lastly the mention of people not thanking there mom. To be honest if that is true (once again something which happens to be so cuz you said it) then its a real shame. No I don't think thanks is the reason women give birth, or even have a child in the first place, but I am thankful to my parents and to God for my life, everyday of my life.

 

Does this analogy include the soldiers from the other side, did generations of people after them thank them for their sacrifice, or, as is plainly clear here in these very forums are they vilified simply for being on the losing side .. does this analogy only refere to the soldiers you feel worthy.
It is an extremely poor example, what you consider being thankful for others will despise (especially those on the losing side)

No being strong is standing up for what you believe in, it is standing against those who would happily hand over ownership of parts of their body to the state.

 

that I'm living rent-free in your head without having expended the slightest effort towards that end?

I think so.

 

How is forcing someone to have a child productive if they cannot see past the crime and harm an innocent regardless? Would you think it be better for the fetus to be aborted or to be born into a family and enviorment that will never accept it and possibly tortured, harmed or misguided and loved. Yes there is a chance the parents/parent might be able to care for the child but for those that are not and have no desire to see past it? You cant say child birth is a straight answer for all things.

For "Pro Life" People why is the child more important UNLESS the mother is in danger. Then "God, By all means abort", Why is the "murder" of the child more important then the "murder" of the mother who is giving child birth?

 

No one is proposing that. The idea is to prohibit elective homicide.

You misunderstand the legitimate purpose of criminal law, which is not to prevent every injustice, but to provide deterrents against as many as can be dealt with by a limited government.

If they demonstrate abusive or negligent conduct, such parents should be prosecuted and their children made wards of the state.

It isn't, any more than an infant is "more important" than a mother who wants to kill it.

 

Adding mine in red.

 

It's a pain responding to a post formatted like that, so if your response to this isn't formatted like mine the conversation is over.

Bearing the child, obviously.

No doubt you will find that unsatisfactory; but as the Duke said, life's tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.

Before I answer this question I need some reason to think it isn't retarded.

Tell you what: just forget it.

 

thats the problem you don't think ... anf the only time you enter my head is when I laugh at you.

Avoiding the question, last desperte act of a coward

 

I do not know all the details of the story, but from what I gather and logically can put together I would say yes. The choice was no doubt there, she legally could have gone and had an abortion. Form what I gather from the story (I admit I do not know the entire thing) she didn't believe abortion was the right choice. She still could have but did not believe it would be right.

The problem is that choices are normally given. Sex is something chosen not forced. When a woman is raped though? That is when things become terribly wrong. That is because there are two innocent parties involved, the child and the mother. Both are without fault. I can understand wishing for people to have freedom of choice, but when did the child get to decide on anything?

I understand that some women are not as strong willed as others and that such things can happen, but simply possible child abuse or miss treatment of a child doesn't mean there is a reason to end the child's existence.

This is just one of the problem with rapists, that is in essence what they do. They force a woman to have sex with them. Its not what I or any other pro-life should person say. To be correct it would be this-

"Well you cannot kill your child, regardless if you are a fit parent or not."

Of course there are other options, such as adoption, but I already know how many people will state statistics claiming against adoption success and so forth.

 

That's only a problem if one isn't dealing with a meathead.

 

True, that's why i find it a problem all the time with you

 

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Woman regrets her abortion. She also reveals that the abortion clinic falsified information in the medical records. The clinic recorded that she viewed the ultrasound image of her fetus, when in reality she was never even given the option. The documents also claim that she was 2 years older than she actually was at the time of the procedure.

This is what she had to say:

It says ultrasound examination form, so when I went to have, before I had my abortion they had to perform an ultrasound to figure out how far along I was... It says "client was offered to view image - to view the ultrasound, check. Either check viewed or declined. They checked viewed. ... (holding back tears) I never saw my ultrasound. I was told nothing was vissible. And I was told that it wouldn't matter, you couldn't see a hearbeat, you couldn't see anything, it was just... I wouldn't know what I was looking at. (sarcastic tone) It also says "client requested and was given copy of image". That's also checked. (holding back tears again) I wasn't ever given a picture of my son. ... But when I went to Planned Parenthood today and got all the records... I saw those, my ultrasounds for the very first time - six years later (sobbing, she holds up pictures) You can see the heartbeat going off right there. ... He was almost an inch long. I was between 8 and 9 weeks, and he was almost an inch long. (long period of silence) I know so many people out there say that Planned Parenthood - they "do so much" and "offer so many good services for women" .. And I just want to know why I was denied seeing this. You say that "women don't change their minds because it... I don't know if I would have.. but if I had would it have been so bad?

 

For every single woman who regrets an abortion there is another who doesn't, so what is really your point?

 

You aren't alone. I had one also when I was young and stupid. I think you and I have posted on another board a few years back. That said, I deeply regret the killing of my unborn child. I grieved for a long time afterwards and didn't think I would ever get over it. The one thing I remember as clear as a bell...there wasn't a dry eye in that recovery room. Why do you suppose that was if it was just a clump of cells?

 

And all sorts of "right" actions or actions that are not wrong are illegal (Big gulps in NYC for example). Laws can be and are often wrong. So who decides which laws are okay and which ones aren't? And how are they decided?

 

I don't know who was in the recovery room, your family? In any case, they didn't make your recovery any easier. Their reactions made a huge impact on you, a signal to you that you had done something wrong. And that could be what triggered the grief, probably much more than the abortion did.

 

You tend to find that most laws follow the opinions of the majority of the population, hence why certain political parties get elected, as the US is, in essence, a republic you get to vote for who you want to represent your views every four years.

It is interesting to note that despite having 5 Republican presidents since Roe v's Wade and a majority in the house no attempt has been made to overturn Roe v's Wade .. perhaps this has something to do with the majority of the US population supporting abortion in certain circumstances ..

The Jan 2013 gallup poll put this question to the people;

Would you like to see the Supreme Court overturn it's 1973 Roe vs Wade decision concerning abortion or not?

53% answered - No, not Overturn
29% answered - Yes, Overturn
18% answered - No opinion

further the question was asked;

Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstance, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?

52% answered - Legal only under certain circumstances
28% answered - Legal under any circumstances
18% answered - illegal in all circumstances

The biggest item of the abortion issue that effects the people is late-term abortions, where 80% think it should be illegal in the final three months of pregnancy - which it is except for medical reasons.

These figures have varied little since the polls were started in 1975

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160058/majority-americans-support-roe-wade-decision.aspx

 

No, other women who had abortions. And if I walked out and never saw those women again, by your words I should have been OVER it. But I wasn't for a long time and it had nothing to do with what anyone else thought because no one else knew.

 

Could you explain how this had anything to do with what I was responding to?