Would Jesus condemn or condone Yahweh for his crimes against humanity?

So, you think that the idea of people going to heaven or hell is allegorical and not literal. That's good to know. Why do you believe in the fairy since it has nothing of value to offer? Eternal life? It's allegorical and not literal. The Bible doesn't contain anything about good morals. You can't even list any. You'll be better off worshiping your right big toe.

 

Your argument contains a number of fallacies.

1) you do not know that God is not Human

2) You assume that Human standards are not God's standards. Does the Bible not say humans were created "Like the Gods - in our image ? In Eden when Adam and Eve learned Good from Evil - was this a special "Good and Evil" that did not apply to Gods ?

The biggest nail in the the coffin is that it is God who gives these standards .. then God flip flop.

The bottom line of course (and the point) is that the depiction of God in the OT is that of a xenophobic flip flopping genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics. God makes a law stating that Children are not to be punished for the sins of their parents .. then turns around and has the Israelite's kill children for the sins of their parents.

You can believe this if you like but, IMO this does not pass the giggle test.

When we fast forward 1500 years later (a blink of an eye in the life of a God) .. all of a sudden God is all loving and cuddly. Instead of "Kill those who are not like you" its "Love neighbor as self". Instead of stoning the adulterous its "Let Ye who is without sin cast the first rock".

Obviously the God of Jesus is a different God than that of the Israelite's

 

You have a point. Should (J)esus condemn wrong doers? You say He should. The Holy Bible says otherwise. John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." And this is probably the reason why He doesn't condemn any human wrong doers who commit crimes against 'humanity'.

So does this mean that He 'condones' wrong doers? Probably not. But who's asking Him for any help against wrong doers on Earth now days, anyways? If He was asked, He would probably 'help'.

What is 'it' that you find wrong on Earth, see nothing being done about it, but blaming God for not having those 'wrongs' made correct? Are you asking Him or an official who might be able to correct those wrongs to have those things corrected, or are you just so grieved that you can do nothing but murmur and grumble? I mean after all, if after 7 times 70 times daily of asking yet receiving nothing, I guess it would seem plausible to beginning turning the other cheek, right?

God already knows what HE is like. The real question to be asking then is this. Are YOU condoning of wrong doing or are you condemning of wrong doing? Is Condemnation and/or Condoning the ONLY 2 available options?


Would you condone or condemn your next door neighbors if they were doing wrong? Or would you care? Or would you seek to move to another place? What is YOUR participation in a world where wrong doers exist and live side by side the right doers?

 

I too see Christianity and Islam as slave cults. Their gods say to do it his satanic way or burn in hell.

Pathetic psychology but it works against weak religious sheeple minds.

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DL

 

Sure it was a good idea fro the Christian point of view. The problem is that Christians reversed much of the morals to the story to bolster their anti women and anti serpent cults that were quite numerous back then.

The elevation, for instance, that the Jews saw in Eden became the fall that Christianity stupidly invented along with their immoral original sin concept.

Yahweh and all gods of war should be rejected and are by moral people. That does not include most Christians and Muslims.

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DL

 

Congratulations on being an accomplished liar. You must be a religious guy.

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DL

 

So you are saying that Jesus/Yahweh is just an allegory. I agree.

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DL

 

The world was already condemned by him. Try again with honesty.

To reward evil doers is to insult those who do not do evil.

You go ahead and reward the one raping your wife. Your immoral Jesus will love you for that.

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DL

 

Love your neighbor as yourself is an original Old Testament command. Yeshua was simply repeating it. He brought nothing new.

Leviticus 19:18 (KJV) = "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.>

The dummies were slow when Yeshua challenged them to cast the first stone. They should have told him that since he was claiming to be the son of God that it was his job to cast the first stone.

 

All religions teach complete obedience and loyalty to the Boss.

People keep thinking that the Islamic hell is the biblical hell. In Islam you go to hell after Judgment Day. Most of the souls in hell will be women. It is a place of eternal torment. Very nasty.

In the biblical fairy tale hell is one of three places people go when they die. The other two are the sea and death. Everyone makes bail on Judgment Day. And just because you were in hell it doesn't prevent you from getting into the golden cube called New Jerusalem. On Judgment Day bad souls are tossed into the lake of fire along with death and hell. There are no seas after Judgment Day.

Know your heavens and hells.

 

Good one ! Yet another contradiction and example of replete hypocrisy of YHWH given the xenophobic tendencies that come later.

I suppose the command should have been more specific "Love Neighbor as self" but, only if neighbor happens to be an Israelite. If not - then "KILL the bastards" !!

 

Remember the First Commandment directs the Israelites to invade other people's land, evict or kill them, and to destroy their religious artifacts. And if some of the original inhabitants do manage to stay then the Israelites were to have nothing to do with them. It was apartheid on steroids.

 

I do not see that as what Jesus was trying to teach.

Have you dithered out what he wrote in the sand?

I think it would have been, --- where is the other defendant as fornication takes two and to just punish the one would not be justice.

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DL

 

Xenophobia on Steroids back then .. well at least as far as the Laws of YHWH were concerned. Thing is .. the Israelite's did not spend much time paying attention to this YHWH fellow. They were too busy worshiping other Gods.

 

The story is not about sex. It is about a Jewish woman worshiping another God instead of Yahweh. She was caught coming out of another temple or maybe even worshiping Yeshua himself. After all, he claimed to have been the son of Yahweh and did miracles to prove that he was special. To think that the woman was caught in a sexual act is silly given the context of the story. Besides, the biblical fairy tale contains numerous stories about worshiping other Gods beside Yahweh was considered to be adultery. So when the crowd brought the woman before Yeshua he was in a bind. He couldn't condemn her because that would lessen his own claims. If he defended her and she had been worshiping a Greek or Roman God then he would have been ignoring the commandment about killing people who worshiped foreign Gods.

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/religious_tolerance/dt13_13-15.html 5 pictures

 

In ancient times all of the rulers were Gods. In some cases that included the chief priests. At one point in the biblical fairy tale the Egyptian Pharaoh was Yahweh.

 

Not sure about the Egyptian Pharaoh being YHWH but, it was the Pharaoh Akhenaten that was could well have been responsible for the quazi monotheistic religion of the Israelite's.

When the Egyptians revolted against Akhenaten the adherents to this new belief system were forced to flee. Moses was supposedly raised in the court of the Pharaoh .. and could well have been the most prominent leader of the Akhenaten cult.

Most myths have some aspect of truth to them. This would explain the exodus of some people out of Egypt .. would would have been homeless wanderers ... just like the story depicts. The rest of course is mostly rubbish ... parting the Red Sea and so on. Tales that grew with time.

 

Apologies. I was looking at a different story.

Regards
DL

 

In actual history the Egyptian Empire included all of the area to the Tigris River. The Hittites had the monopoly on iron so they could build larger and stronger chariots that could carry three men. That gave them greater firepower. That is where the biblical story about Yahweh (the Egyptian Pharaoh) being unable to defeat iron chariots. The story is based on actual history but it is all jumbled.

When the Egyptians were driven out of the Levant they returned to Egypt proper. As usual, the story tellers added their own BS to the actual event and had things completely changed around. The Israelites didn't leave Egypt, the Egyptians left the Israelites.

 

The Egyptians and Hittites were rival powers indeed. They fought on and off for a few centuries and then there was a big stalemate - commemorated by famous peace treaty around 1250 BC. This is one of the only treaties in ancient history where we have copies of the treaty from both parties.

They divided up the region in between into vassal states. Palestine then, regardless of who occupied it, would have been a vassal state either the Hittites or Egyptians.

 

History is amazing because it can explain so much, especially ethnocentric religious fairy tales.

 

This is an interesting link I came across.. http://www.bibleorigins.net/YahwehYawUgarit.html

 

Interesting article. Deities are always changing. In the OT Yahweh had tons of dialogue. In the NT he only has two or three lines of dialogue. In the Koran I think Yeshua doesn't have a single line of dialogue.

 

In order to believe that God gave us his only son to be sacrificed for our sins, you have to believe that for about 200,000 years of human history nothing really happened to save mankind from the world God created but after he saw something really bad, no one knows what triggered this sense of final outrage by God, he decided to send his son to earth to be crucified and never returned again. Now this God looked the other way through barbarism and cruelty that had never been seen before all across the world from 32 AD to the present, thousands of years and millions of souls later, he failed to show up or do anything. This is the God of Abraham, a God that could care less what happens to anyone. Genghis Khan alone killed upwards of 40 million people. Is that really something we should be worshiping?

 

I hear you, yet billions continue to support the Christian god.

I cannot see that many people being immoral enough to turn a blind eye to such a vile god but no Christian has deemed the question worthy enough to offer a reason for so many turning a blind eye to Yahwehs crimes against humanity.

Care to try to explain why they do not see what you and I see?

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DL