Would the world be a better place without America?

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  1. Mungo

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    its not as cheap as drilling your own, and you are only not allowed to drill in Alaska, you don't have nearly as much oil as the Middle East

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    America did fund the nazis massivley learn your history, George W Bush's father was convicted of it
     
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    America has contributed much to the world throughout history.

    But 21st century America? Yeah, the world would probably be better off without us, at east until the next bully came along.
     
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    I think, actually, it's a resounding "no". Are your stores not filled to brimming with foreign-made goods which you could not produce yourself at a reasonable, affordable cost?
     
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    good man well said, I hope the NSA don't get you
     
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    If it wasn't for Europeans, Americans would still be living in tee pees and wearing bison skins.
     
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    Anyone who America decided needed the gift of democracy-mostly those places you invaded and which never knew democracy until it was forced upon them.
    Take Iraq for example; how wonderful is that country since America figured democracy was the way to go? American rule of law (let's call it an integral part of the democratic process), has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths since the invasion.
     
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    MisterMet New Member Past Donor

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    Would someone just type this guy's coordinates into a drone already? My lord, what a hating, whining, little (*)(*)(*)(*) we have here.
     
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    there's another example, flying drones around killing people including kids with no trial or evidence or right. Evil empire.
     
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    At least he's not mouthing off to people in his real life, annoying the hell out of them until he is beaten.

    He could only take so much of that.
     
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    The amount of science, technology and know-how produced in the US is immense. Even acknowledging all its mistakes, world would certainly be a considerably worse place without the US for this reason alone.
     
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    I want to answer to the OP :)

    Is world a better place without Oirat horde ? it is a better place without Wolof Empire? there is no way to know it.

    Everyone is equally important and everyone is contributing , yes doing nothing or super evil things or taking the mistakes only road is a contribution.
    Think of a Bantu guy covered in mud sitting in his (*)(*)(*)(*) poor village , he is a symbol of what happens when you don't progress ; but you will say he only has to work a couple of hours per day and he seems reasonably happy with his life ! well this is an alarm for us that somewhere our progress took a wrong turn.

    Think of the Mongols or the Nazis , we know that their ways are unacceptable because we had to experience their evil deeds.

    Think of the EU that does everything wrong and sells it's people to the banksters , they created citizens of different nationalities that actively look to overthrow the system , even the freaking nazis have international forums where Slavs, Latins and Germanics agree that EU should go , this is progress triggered by a series of mistakes.

    Think of mesoamerican countries broken by poverty , crime and corruption , they are thinking of legalizing all drugs , why? because their extremities rotted policies away , they are so rotten that the rot took a character itself.
     
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    So because individual Americans supported the nazis doesn't mean Americans as a whole supported Hitler or the Nazis. You are very dishonest. The truth is the vast majority of Americans wanted to stay out of another European war, by remaining neutral. It was Roosevelt that skirted US laws that wanted to drag America in world war two.
     
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    not individual Americans the American establishment funded nazi Germany in a massive way


    After World War I, Germany was rich-pickings for American investors. Germany had been a prospering, successful country but suddenly its economy was thrown into chaos, so all the vultures swooped down and bought up everything at a cheap price. It made sense therefore, for the US Media to promote Germany & its people as a good healthy nation to do business with. Most of these investors and media network controllers were certain rich American Jewish families with connections. So despite the Americans' pride of their participation against the Nazis, when WWII started in September 1939, the rich Jews were able to flee to the US and all the US Generals were actually happily sat at the cinema watching the 'Wizard of Oz'...

    The Évian Conference the year before in 1938 shows the US sentiment at the time:
    "The conference did not pass a resolution condemning the German treatment of Jews".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Évian_…

    American investments in Nazi Germany at the time of Pearl Harbour in 1941 amounted to an estimated total of $475 million. Standard Oil - $120 million invested, General Motors - $35 million, ITT - $30 million and Ford - $17.5 million.

    Rockefeller's Standard Oil was merged in hundreds of cartel arrangements with the German chemical company IG Farben - which was itself led by the Warburgs until 1937. About a month after World War II began in September 1939, Standard Oil executives flew to the Netherlands on a British Royal Air Force bomber and met with IG Farben executives. Standard Oil promised to keep the merger with IG Farben going even if the US entered the war. This was exposed in 1942 by Senator Harry Truman's Investigating Committee so then, President Roosevelt took hundreds of legal measures during the war to counter the Standard Oil-IG Farben cartel's supply operation for Germany.

    So the answer is, I think, that Truman stopped it - hero that he was.

    The trouble is that human ethics are just for us workers. These top businessman like the Bush family & Cheney, make BILLIONS of profit from war. A good 'Panorama' documentary called 'Daylight Robbery' which is about how much profit they've made from the Iraq War has been posted on Youtube in 5 parts:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w06RY_A4S…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ILa_4uhJ…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg255__pX…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY9ojQQEK…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpKisVs0A…

    Incidentally, in 1943 Roosevelt’s government took control of Rockefeller’s Aramco and seized assets of the Union Banking Corporation - money that was later used to launch the Bushes in oil and politics.

    Another good Panorama documentary is 'The War Party', also posted on Youtube in 5 parts. Here's the first:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vWZTTrce…
     
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    Without reading any of that, I have to assume you put a lot of time and effort into it.

    Why does the US threaten you so much ?
     
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    it spies on me and is trying desperately to provoke world war three. Hows that for starters? It is also the greatest force for bad on the face of the planet on which I live.

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    typical ignorant American not reading it though eh, whats the matter too many big words or does it say bad things about your country that you don't want to hear?
     
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    If the US had not intervened in World War II, the Axis would have won.


    "...it spies on me..."

    Taxcutter says:
    If so they are no doubt bored to death.


    "...trying desperately to provoke world war three..."

    Taxcutter asks:
    Really? If so, who would be the opponents in this alleged World War? What would be the casus belli?
     
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    Once upon a time America did not exist, and it wasn't a better world. But I agree with you that the US could do a lot more (both good and evil).
     
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    Also untrue, Russia won WWII not America
     
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    The USSR made a big contribution, but could they have made it if the Japanese had attacked Maritime Siberia instead of the US? The elite Siberian divisions would not have been available to decide the battle for Moscow.

    If the Japanese had taken Vladivostok and Khabarovsk, the USSR would have to retreat to the Kultuk gorge to make a stand.
     
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    I totally agree. The world would have been so much better with China or Russia or Nazi Germany or the Soviets in America's place.
     
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    Uh huh.

    (this is just what we provided to the Soviets btw...the US provided similar aid to many other nations, including France and the UK. The Soviets just got most of it)
     
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    Don't forget the most called in times of need, and maybe the only country with the ability to print more money as needed.

    Those are pretty threatening, too.


    I wouldn't know.

    I didn't read it.
     
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    If I spend 10 minutes on the Internet I can find good and bad things about any country or group.

    This is a hate filled topic by a little man who hates America with a passion

    You can be as mad as you want, it amuses me.
     
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    just to be clear for all the Americans on here, America killed virtually zero Germans until after D-day, which was very near the end of the war, Russia had accounted for well over a million by that point. And America is not a country people call on in times of need, they just tell you that on your news, you can't even help your own in times of need and have no interest in helping others. Also its because of these things I and others hate America, we don't say these things because we hate America, we hate America because of these things, you are getting it the wrong way round.

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    course you didn't cause you're an ignorant American thats par for the course, yet you still think you can refute and dismiss it. Thats cause you are dumb, which is the atypical position of all Americans.

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    big deal, it was boots on the ground which won the eastern campaign, you didn't give Russia people did you, or winter, those were what defeated nazi Germany nothing else
     
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