Wouldn't the Bible be a lot more believeable if the Old Test. was cut out?

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  1. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

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    So if a woman with children is widowed.....you don't want her to re-marry???

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    Except you call ALL women who DON'T want to be dominated by men "feminists"....don't you?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think that you will really love this writing.... Pastor Rick Joyner had a visionary dream of heaven back in 1995 and met the Apostle Paul......… I thought this was brilliantly written and amazingly insightful...........(frankly.... I believe that Pastor Rick may well have met with the spirit of the Apostle Paul)!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...eets-apostle-paul-visionary-dream-heaven.html

    Pastor Rick Joyner meets Apostle Paul in visionary dream of heaven....



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    I believe that this writing can be truly helpful in putting certain statements by Paul into the context of the time and culture in which he lived.
    1Timothy 2:12:
    "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
     
  3. anomaly

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    You and your sources are inflating the numbers.
     
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    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    It is people like you that make me happy the US has separation of church and state.
     
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    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    So true.
     
  6. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. reports being shown Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus making this statement...… from the point of view of Doubting Thomas:

    www.thomastwin.com/



    Acts 1:26
    "And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles. "

    The Apostle Paul was not there when this statement was made..... and by the time he did come along......… Doubting Thomas was discredited as a witness of the life and teachings of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus.
     
  7. Gorn Captain

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    Dennis, I had a Near Death Experience where the Flying Spaghetti Monster told me that...

    there's no such thing as Near Death Experiences.

    :)
     
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    1) I want women who remarry after divorce to realize they already have hurt their kids by divorce.
    They must be honest about whether their ex-husband was really intolerable and impossible, or were they just getting out.
    Then, the next guy must be understood as probably not good for the kids and dangerous.
    They need spend much time wondering why marriage is necessary and even a good thing.
    The Stats tell us that step fathers are the WORST possible circumstances.

    Hence this requires much analysis in spite of how much it may appear to be good for the woman, herself.

    2) A woman who does not want the man to be the head of the family is a Feminist female creature.
    She can say domination is how she sees the situation, but having had the singular and only vote on picking out that husband, it was her duty to herself and her children to come to decide if she was going to be a l=willing FOLLOWER of this PROVIDER.
     
  9. FreedomSeeker

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    After reading hundreds of CupidDave's 15,800+ posts regarding how to treat women (mostly Biblically approved) I've decided to take this action step: let's all bow our heads and pray for Dave's wife. :-D
     
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    No.
    The source of the numbers was the government agency: The Congressional Research Service.

    The Congressional Research Service (CRS), known as Congress's think tank,[3] is a public policy research arm of the United States Congress. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS works primarily and directly for Members of Congress, their Committees and staff on a confidential, nonpartisan basis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Research_Service
     
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    The odds of the FSM being the one true god/prophet are maybe around one out of about 10,000......I didn't do well in math class but those sound like some pretty sweet odds to me so OKAY - I'm gonna trust that he's the one true god/prophet and believe you on this one! The FSM intervenes for the good of humankind at exactly the same rate that Jesus provably does (answers prayers at the same exact rate), so the FSM is as good as even Jesus, so I'm pretty impressed with him. PBUHNA...Peace Be Upon His Noodley Appendages.

    However, the FSM also warns people of deadly dangerous "acts of him" (i.e. "acts of god") at exactly the same rate that Jesus does, so I'm quite disappointed in the FSM, since any true god could easily beat Jesus' record of never having warned a single person that a deadly, say, tsunami was about to hit, like the 240,000 innocent people (including innocent children) who died in Aceh.
     
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    Yes, you are the feminist supporting, perhaps even Gay, type of men who would argue against what Paul would explain to the foolish victims of the harlots.
    So Paul did not want these single, never-married mothers receiving welfare of free food and services in Rome to side with you on this.

    Hence, Paul wrote the women need be silent, and let the men talk among themselves.
     
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    Yep, two things that I always trust are the church/bible, and the government. So if it's from the government you can trust it as much as you trust the church/bible.
     
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    Yep, DarkDaimon, if you are gay then since Jesus was silent when he read in the old texts that god approves of KILLING gays then it would appear that the Jesus-approved thing to do would be to kill you. Sorry dude, but a book that accurately says the age of the earth is 6000 years old can't be wrong about anything. Yep.
     
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    The reason that people would advocate "separation of church and state" is that the Bible is not actually from god. If it was indeed from god, then separating from god would be a bad idea. But separating from god ("separation of church and state") is actually a pretty good idea.
     
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    Yes,...
    Th Gays, the Feminists, and the supporters of the feminist ideals all joined together to oppose the sexually prudent culture where woman aimed at being mothers, not competition in the Unskilled Labor Market.
    They were called a "religion" because they all espoused the same ideas and used the same arguments.

    The Jews in Babylon a called them worhipers of Ishtar.
    But you, and those who agree with you here, are members of "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth."

    Every myth had this Goddesses of sexual lust in their pantheon, but with a different name, like Venus or Astarte, etc.
     
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    Too bad god's not actually real, or like any smart person, he'd UPDATE the book, you know, kind of like Apple updates the iPhone every few years and some authors come out with updated versions of their book at least every few decades or so. Too bad he's not real, though....darn.

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    And what's amazing is that every single one of those myths is false except for the one that you believe in. Congratulations!! I'm impressed.
     
  18. cupid dave

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    Hmmm,...
    I said that Welfare costs $1 Trillion dollars annually today.
    Anomaly refused to believe that number.
    Anomaly quoted a source who tried to explain away the numbers with nonsense.

    So I presented Anomaly with the report from the CRC which said I was correct on this.
    They also said this:

    The Congressional Research Service identified 83 overlapping federal welfare programs that together represented the single largest budget item in 2011—more than the nation spends on Social Security, Medicare, or national defense. The total amount spent on these 80-plus federal welfare programs amounts to roughly $1.03 trillion. Importantly, these figures solely refer to means-tested welfare benefits. They exclude entitlement programs to which people contribute (e.g., Social Security and Medicare).

    The Congressional Research Service estimates that exclusively federal spending on these federal programs equaled approximately $746 billion, and further emphasizes that there is a substantial amount of state spending—mostly required as a condition of states’ participation—on these same federal programs (primarily Medicaid and CHIP). Based on data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and the Oxford Handbook of State and Local Government Finance, Budget Committee staff calculated at least an additional $283 billion in state contributions to those same federal programs, for a total annual expenditure of $1.03 trillion.
     
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    Common sense today needs no religion at all to see that the Ishtar religious believers in sexual promiscuity were wrong back then, and, even now, while the sexually prudent Jews who did what their monotheism commanded, were actually right.
     
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    If of course people tried to understand the Bible as it was written in its time, and take the trouble understand the 'rules' that applied in the society of the time, we wouldn't have all this 'discussion'. Most Christians of the time of the New Testament writings never expected the New Testament to be read in 2000 years time. They expected the return of Christ. They knew nothing but the Patriarchal Society. To change this would take centuries. This was the way of life at the time. Jesus accepted it as the norm. - which it was, and would be for centuries. Jesus was a Jewish Teacher. Looking at what he preached, and taking into account the Christian bias put into the Gospels by the later writers, he believed his task and message was to bring the Jews back to their god Jahweh.
    From 2000 years in the future you blame Jesus or Paul for what was natural for the time.
    It's taken 2000 years to free women from 'second class' citizenship. Blame your own ancestors. Blame the Church. Blame man's ego.
     
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    I've said it before I'll say it again: I appreciate how you consistently (as much as most any poster) provide facts/statistics to back up your argument - I'm probably lazier than you.
     
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    If I was "watching over people" today, and I was all-powerful (like a certain zombie from Nazareth who shall remain nameless), and all-loving, I'd of course have come down multiple times over the last 2000 years (every 20 years at a minimum) and updated those ancient barbaric teachings. Seems the loving thing to do. Any reasonable and caring person with that would would do that same, of course. So of course "Jesus" is just a legend, like "Allah", "Zeus", "Bigfoot", "Apollo", etc. I'm sure that if you had that super-power trevor that you'd do that same, since I assume that you love everybody like I do.

    Have a great night.
     
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    As usual you won't answer a direct question with a direct answer. I didn't mention "divorce"...I said a WIDOW.....so again...

    You said "the step-father idea is the worst".

    Do you oppose a widow with children re-marrying? Yes or No?
    So you admit my statement is true. If a woman doesn't want to be dominated by a man, you consider her a "feminist" and hate her.

    You like only servile, obedient women.
     
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    Can you point to historical record that supports Jesus rising from the dead, other than the bible?
     
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    I see you only posted the definition not the actual data that show what you are trying to get us to believe. Thanks for the dictionary class now let's see the actual numbers. And not the ones you copy from your biased religious sites that reinterpret the data for all you fear mongers... I mean religious type.
     

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