WWII was started by Hitler, WWIII was started by Mohammad.

Who cares which is more hateful. They are both hate.

I'm not trying to change your mind, my point of view is better off with you on the other side.

 

So a person like Charlie Chaplin who tried to alert the world to the hatred of the Nazis towards the Jews before WWII was more hateful than the Nazis!? Are you serious? Should Chaplin have kept quiet? If not, then he shouldn't be considered hateful, like I shouldn't be. Please don't put your head in the sand.

 

Muslims aren't nazi's. Their religion is no more hateful than any other.

Just because you don't get it, doesn't make you right.

 

1. Please tell us specifically what other religions teach hatred, then.

2. Please tell us specifically where the teachings of Nazism are worse towards the Jews than that saying of Mohammad. (No offense, but I don't think you can win this debate with facts, just with your broad generalities.)
[Mohammad said: 'The time (of Resurrection) [this is a good thing, they fell] will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: 0 Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!'" Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 6985]


In a 2011 poll, 73% of Palestinians said they “believe” the [above-mentioned] Islamic Hadith that preaches it is Islamic destiny to kill Jews wherever they are. From http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=427

3. Did 73% of GERMANS believe that they should kill Jews wherever they are, or are the Palestinians more hateful than even the pre-WWII Germans were?

 

You hate muslims. No matter what I saw you are still going to be full of hate.

 

And you are deluded into thinking all Muslims believe that's what Mohammed taught, also somehow missing out key parts of my response. I said some Muslims do believe that but not all Muslims do just like not all Christians believe being gay is wrong and should be killed.

Seriously I think you are just one of those people who said "I learned all I needed to know about Islam on 9/11" not considering however you are basing your beliefs of almost a fifth of this planet on the actions and beliefs of a fraction of a percentage of this planet at best.

 

By answering those 3 questions we get to the truth faster. I'm assuming that the answer to those 3 questions is too uncomfortable for you to answer (no offense), or you'd have simply answered them? Are you the type of person who wouldn't stand up to the Nazis, because you'd be afraid of being seen as someone who "judges" other people, even though those other people practice "evil"? People like that get ruled by totalitarian rulers....not something a freedomseeker like myself can fathom.

 

So then show us lots of Muslims who have removed that hadith from their Islamic texts that they give their children!

If YOU had some texts that you were going to give your children and tell them that's it's about the "best person who ever lived", and it advocated GENOCIDE in it, would YOU remove it before you gave it to your children, or at least say "Mohammad got that wrong - we should love the Jews and not hate them like Mohammad said"? I bet you would. So why not hold Muslims to the same moral standard that you follow, my friend.

 

The answer doesn't matter.

You hate muslims. You don't know anything about Islam.

I don't have time to educate you, nor do you have any interest in being educated.

Skeptical Heretic, you are just wasting your time.

 

I KNEW you couldn't answer the question.

Then please tell me what that verse does mean (please educate the readers of this thread.) Does it mean, say, to "kill" them with, say, LAUGHTER? Or does it mean to kill them like Hilter meant to kill them?

 

Glad you know, knowledge is power.

 

Considering most Muslims don't actually believe that is what Mohammad teaches your point is irrelevant.

Why do you think most Muslims say Islam is a religion of peace and they hate violence? Obviously they are interpreting it differently to you maybe because they saw the hadith as a historic text not something that is to be done today I already explained most people believe it was based on the fact they were at war.

Also if I point out the verses in the bible allowing "GENOCIDE" (by the way having all caps doesn't get your message across better) and slavery killing of babies treating women as second class citizens should I go to every Christian and tell them they are terrorists and evil and support killing babies because some people do?

I'm starting to wonder though see to get this stupid and bigoted were you born with it instantly or did you just attain it from years of experience...

 

I know but it's fun talking to bigots it's like watching a child get angry over something irrelevant.

 

So what is your learned interpretation of the following?
"Summon the people to God; those who respond to your call, accept it from them, but those who refuse must pay the poll tax out of humiliation and lowliness. If they refuse this, it is the sword without leniency. Fear God with regard to what you have been entrusted."
Umar ibn al-Khattab during the conquest of al-Basrah (636 CE)

 

Here's a question for you: do you think that the [Shiite] Islamic Republic of Iran getting nukes and starting WWIII (against another state that is also a supremacist state - they are "god's chosen people") because they believe their Muslim texts that doing so will bring the return of some magical 12th Mahdi is "irrelevant"? You don't seem to understand what's happening in the world today.

Please tell us, would standing up to Hitler be "bigotted", or the right thing to do? As a modern Secular Humanist, unlike say a Christian, I have a better belief system than the apocalyptic Islamic belief system.

 

Do you think Muslims are smart? I assume you do. So they why would smart people give that horrific verse (and tons of other Jew-hating verses) to their impressionable children unless they believe it? It's because the DO BELIEVE it. I'm going to ask you to put up or shut up: show us the (apparently) many many Muslims who have expunged those verses from their texts, or else you clearly are in the wrong, my friend.

 

FreedomSeeker crucified the Pharisee nature of his ego and replaced it with the Logic of the Creator of all Life and Joy?

I don't think so. Otherwise, FreedomSeeker wouldn't be bearing false witness against the Prophet Mohammed.

 

So if I don't show you all the Muslims that believe that killing is wrong you are going to continually believe they are all bad? Now who is being unreasonable...

Here's an idea why not actually speak to Muslims it's not that hard, over the internet in real life I don't care but just actually ask them their opinions on things and possibly you might learn not everything is black and white. Though just remember when you're speaking to people you are not ment to assign beliefs to them that they don't have I know it's crazy not telling people what they believe but trust me it works...

 

So you don't think that Mohammad said that verse? If not, then why not ask them to remove it, in the name of compassion and world peace?

 

If FreedomSeeker wishes to see the difference between real Muslims and pretend Muslims watch the TV series on Mokhtar:
[video=youtube;E7yHIx47he4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7yHIx47he4[/video]

 

The source texts are where it all starts.
So please answer this question: do "real" Muslims, like you say, remove this terrible WIFE-BEATING verse from their texts, or are they just "pretend" Muslims? If they won't, then "real" Muslims clearly approve of WIFE-BEATING (unless they explicitly say that Mohammad was wrong about this):
"Qur'an 4:34: Shakir: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

 

So wait not judging everyone by their religious beliefs equals wanting Iran to have nukes? Are you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing high?

If you actually had bothered to ask me what I think about Iran getting nukes I would have told you because I've already expressed my beliefs on it on here but no instead you are now assuming things about me bravo you are a moron.

Also I have no problem with people calling ahmadinejad a horrible excuse for a human being and wouldn't feel sad if the guy died tomorrow. Though using him as an example of all Muslims, really? While we're at it lets call all catholics Hitler supporters and all protestants Martin Luther supporters and say they are all anti-semites.

 

Do all Christians support this what about Jews?
Do all literalist constitutionalists or people who respect the founding fathers support slavery?
What about UK and US citizens do they all support Saudi Arabia and what they do to their citizens I mean they are allies right?

 

Is this what you're holding against Muhammed?

You need to read some of the books by a guy named John Norman. A good one to start with is TIME SLAVE


Loving one's woman as one's self does not preclude keeping her in harmony with you by physical means.
Some women like to have their men get rough with them. It is still love.

What did Christ say about His wives disobeying Him and rejecting His Kingship?
He said to Bring them hither and slay them at my feet. Luke 19:27
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Incredible. The elected leader of a nation of, what, 60 million (?) people, and you don't think he represents what many (but not all) Muslims think? ENOUGH Muslims (at least in Iran - and he's admired by Hamas, Hezballah, etc.) like him that he rose to power (with the Ayatollah's blessing....they do love the Ayatollah, we know that.)

Show me ONE Muslim who doesn't think that Mohammad is the best role model for all time (even though he was genocidial like I showed, suicidal, a rapist, a pedophile, a robber, a killer of gays, a killer of people who have sex outside marriage, a torturer, etc.) Every single Muslims I've ever conversed with, and every Muslim on this forum, thinks he's the best role model of all time. They appear to be in serious denial of the truth.