Yes, we can prove that god does not exist.

I've never claimed the bible /Moses books to be fact. I can't say that he is wrong about Adsm and Eve because he would have got this information straight from God. You nor I can prove differently. We can only have or not have faith in this. I have faith, you have chosen not to.

I dont worship a God that torment non-repentant humans for eternity. I have not found it to be biblical either. This is the problem with interpretations. Honestly, I do not believe the bible is strictly composed from Gods mind. I do believe it's writers were inspired by God, but ablibed current culture.

 

It's in this book I own, it's called "The Bible".

[Sorry to sound so snarky, but the assumption is that Jesus approves of the Bible - Revelation - or he would have spoken up sometime in the last 2000 years. A pretty reasonable assumption for the all-loving Jesus.]

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I have more faith than you do! I can have more faith (faith in science) because science is more consistent, more logical, and more proven than the Bible ever will be! Jesus has been beaten....by science.

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If billions of people are being mislead in god's name (i.e. if Moses god Adam/Eve wrong), then if I was god I'd step in and set the people straight. How about you, would you do that if you had those powers?

 

It was covered in like the first reply...

1. Evolution: “god” obviously got wrong.
What did God get wrong? And where is your proof that we evolved from other animals? And where did life start?

2. The earth being around 6000 years old (adding up the genealogies) is patently false.
Not claimed anywhere in the Bible. What's your proof otherwise? Human's ability to carbon date and tell us the difference between 15 million years and 16 million years? Seriously ?!

3. The sun revolving around the earth is a lie.
Said where in the Bible?

4. They lied to us about the flat earth.
Said where in the Bible?

5. Other things as well.
So 4 things... none of them legit?


Anyway, not looking for your answers, just showing why you completely failed on any sort of "proof" you claim to have. As you sit in this forum creating the same threads, worded different ways, 24/7.

Congrats.

 

This helps explain many of your questions: http://biblebabble.curbjaw.com/errors.htm


Job chapter 38 has a lot of mentions of a stationary earth, and as direct quotes from God. Quotes like the following:

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding." - Job 38:4

"Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;" - Job 38:6

Really, do these sound like descriptions of a world that spins on its axis, while at the same time revolves around the sun? First off, everything I have seen foundations on are stationary. Buildings, walls, towers, etc. Then God says that the foundation is fastened to something. Again, does your car have a foundation attached to something? Your house has a foundations which attaches it to the ground. Hmmmm, If you believe these verses, you must have a hard time finding your house whenever you go out, because it probably moved away while you were gone.

That's not all. 1 Samuel 2:8 states that "For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, And He has set the world upon them". If you go to any seashore, you are bound to see houses built on pillars, and yet the houses don't move. How strange.

Psalms 93:1 flat out says that the world doesn't move. "The Lord reigns, he is clothed with majesty; The Lord is clothed, He has girded Himself with strength. Surely the world is established so that it cannot be moved."

Again, earths foundations (as well as the sky's windows) are mentioned in Isaiah 24:18- "And it shall be That he who flees from the noise of the fear Shall fall into the pit, And he who comes up from the midst of the pit, Shall be caught in the snare; For the windows from on high are open, And the foundations of the earth are shaken."

 

But it proves nothing about him.

 

So how many years DO the genealogies add up to? That would be the age of the earth, or at least the ago of humankind, right? Please tell us.

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Where else are people getting their ideas about the God of the Bible? Please tell us. (Note I said the God of the Bible, not Zeus or Krishna, etc.)

 

Well no, also that the earth's rotation speeds up.
Micketto, does the earth's rotation speed up and then slow down each day in any significant manner?
Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and sets and hurries around to rise again.

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I said the god in the Bible, nothing beyond the god in the Bible.

 

Plenty more than the Bible to go on. His worship predates Abraham by almost 2,000 years. The Abrahamic scriptural tradition only dates to the Persian liberation of Israel. That seems ancient to us but the Jews that the Christians and Muslims take their ideas from were as old than as they are now starting from that point. You also have to take the Gospels with a grain of salt considering the Roman influence. And as I said before, you could always ask the guy and not rely on an old book.

All you've disproven is the idea that the Bible is a science/history book. It proves nothing about Yahweh as claimed in the OP.

 

the only thing your argument "proves" is that the bible is not an accurate scientific or historical document.
That certainly doesn't prove that the Abrahamic god does not exist.

For instance, the catholic church ENDORSES both the big bang and evolution.
Yep, that whole adam and eve thing in the bible is viewed by the catholic church as metaphorical not actual.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to prove or disprove the existence of any supernatural entity, by definition.

Attribution to the supernatural for events and elements of the natural universe in which we exist remains impossible to prove, but oddly can actually be relatively easy to disprove.

 

But there is no 'god of the bible' there are at least 3 'gods of the bible' named and depending on the interpretation maybe more. The 3rd god named only counts if you go by the Christian Bible as he was mentioned in passing by Jesus and so doesn't exist in the Jewish bible. Yahweh, Ba'al and Hades in case you are wondering what I'm talking about. And as I've said before, the mythology about Yahweh isn't limited to the bible. Trying to limit the argument to the bible just proves you've lost.

Stop moving the goal posts.

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Hell, the Big Bang is a Catholic idea.

 

I'm still waiting for the scriptures that claim Jesus condones eternal torment. I can show you numerous scriptures that support annihilation.

You are free to put your faith in science. Yet, science cannot prove the age of the earth, the origination of humans or that a higher being does not exist.

Again, you cannot prove that Adam and Eve did not exist. I can't prove they did. We are both left with our faiths.

 

Moses got his beliefs about how the earth began, being made by "god", from where?

 

The fossil (unless it's just a trick by the devil) is much more scientifically correct than the Bible is, in regards to evolution.

Also, where does Jesus renounce the eternal torment that's mentioned in the Bible? If he did, I'd bet they'd have removed it from the Bible sometime in the last 2000 years.

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You couldn't be more wrong.

 

Moses got everything via a face to face relationship. Genesis wasn't written until after the Persians gave Israel back to the Jews, thousands of years later.

 

Yep, we both agree it's pretty screwed up and convoluted and inconsistent, that's for sure. It's like trying to understand The Lord of The Rings....only much much harder.

 

Which still doesn't disprove the existence of Yahweh. Your OP is wrong.

 

Yes, it sounds more and more and more like the god mentioned in the Bible, the BIBLE'S version, is not accurate.

 

Which doesn't mean anything. You lost, stop digging your hole.

 

Science has shown that the god as described by the Bible, in the Bible (and you are correct, NOT beyond that) is of course mistaken, so of course that narrative is wrong. Maybe some person describing the same god did indeed get it right, but that book is not the Bible. I'm only talking about the Bible. So maybe "the Bible's version of God has been proven wrong by science" might be a more precise statement, I'd agree.

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This (from my previous post, sorry to repeat it), is the best answer I can give to this also:
Science has shown that the god as described by the Bible, in the Bible (and you are correct, NOT beyond that) is of course mistaken, so of course that narrative is wrong. Maybe some person describing the same god did indeed get it right, but that book is not the Bible. I'm only talking about the Bible. So maybe "the Bible's version of God has been proven wrong by science" might be a more precise statement, I'd agree.

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How do we know that, for sure?

 

Obviously I don't. I wasn't there. But that's what he claimed, most theists believe him and that's as far as it really goes. The Prince meets Yahweh, convinces the king to let the Jews go (the Hebrews weren't actually slaves, they had been the ruling class and had been recently overthrown) and then he camped out in the Sinai for 40 years while the Hebrews geared up for the invasion of Canaan where Yahweh gave him the 10 Commandments. There was no crazy mythology unless you really think Abraham caused the plagues. As straightforward as his story is, they're really isn't any reason to doubt that it happened (with a bit of flare added in the telling)

 

Which fossils prove the evolutional creation of man?

Jesus did not have to denounce it. It was not a doctrine until long after his death.

Science cannot factually determine the age of earth because an element of their research has a lifespan.

 

If I was Jesus, and I cared about people (apparently he does not), then at the time that doctrine came out, or w/in the intervening time period, I would have simply come down and educated the world that "eternal torment" was wrong (if it indeed is wrong, like you are claiming). This isn't rocket surgery! Would you have done that, seeing how you believe it's wrong, if you had his super-powers? I would have, what about you? If not, then can we agree that Modern Secular Humanism (my belief system) is more compassionate than your belief system?

 

You mean Theology is wrong,... but you are correct on many things here.

The one big thing which religious people have been correct about was the harm done by promoting sexual promiscuity which causes bastard kids who suffer enormous Child Abuse.

 

Jesus was concerned about what sexually promiscuous people do to little kids, though.

CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTS
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. (Source: Center for Disease Control).
80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes. (Source: Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals A Report on the State of High Schools).
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. Of Corrections, 1992).
These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:
5 times more likely to commit suicide
32 times more likely to run away
20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
14 times more likely to commit rape
9 times more likely to drop out of high school
20 times more likely to end up in prison
Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*:
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
24.3 times more likely to run away
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
10.8 times more likely to commit rape
6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes
Daughters who live in mother only homes are 92% more likely to divorce**
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http://www.cato.org/publications/con...-state-crime-0

 

This is part of the puzzle...but it's more complex than I wish it was:
"Discovery of Oldest Human Fossil Fills Evolutionary Gap
It looks like mankind may have suddenly aged by nearly a half-million years. According to a pair of newly published papers in the journal Science, paleoanthropologists working in Ethiopia have discovered a 2.8-million-year-old jawbone, making it the oldest fossil in the human ancestral line ever found by more than 400,000 years. The finding could fill important gaps in scientists’ understanding of human evolution."
http://www.history.com/news/discovery-of-oldest-human-fossil-fills-evolutionary-gap


PS please don't insult our intelligence with a "god of the gaps" argument....please.

PSPS these fossils are well over the 6000+- year age the Bible says the earth is so Jesus falls on his face yet again. Yep, I'm still waiting for Jesus to care about us enough, and to be real enough, to come down and tell us that science gets it all wrong, and that the Bible has all the answers instead.