Zelensky takes credit for derailing Minsk agreements

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  1. Durandal

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    You tend to post a lot of pseudo-facts, and then scamper away when you're called on it. Like when you claimed that Texas was somehow getting wrecked but wouldn't explain that. I'm still waiting to hear what the Republicans have done to it that makes you so upset.

    As for who is responsible for the dead in this war, I'm going to say it's the little peckerhead in the Kremlin who started this war by sending hundreds of thousands of troops into a neighboring country to steal its land, attempt to topple its democratic government, and generally commit genocide as little peckerhead fascists tend to do.
     
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    Nobody scampers from you big boy. What a ****ing joke. Like your revisionist history.
     
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    Imho, many of these warmongers who are too young to remember the propaganda that fueled the US invasions of Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan have no clue about the intensity of today's deliberate obfuscation of US-Ukraine relations since 1945:

    https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...on-ukrainian-independence-haunts-cia-00029968

    "In late 1949, a series of unmarked flights began launching from central Europe.

    "Gargantuan C-47s, flown by Hungarian or Czech pilots, barreled toward Turkey, and then turned north over the Black Sea, evading radar by flying barely above the ground.

    "As the planes flew over Lviv a string of parachutes opened, a handful of commandos tumbling into the sky over Soviet Ukraine.

    "On the ground, they linked up with Ukrainian resistance fighters trying to beat back Soviet expansionism."

    Many of the "commandoes" were unrepenetant Nazis who linked up with other fascists on the ground in Ukraine; that collaboration between Ukrainian fascists and US intelligence continued unabated until it paid off big-time in 2014.

    The goal has never changed.
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    Operation Red Sox, as it was known, was one of the first covert missions of the still new Cold War.
     
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    The fact is you Jew bait. The above is a classic example of your Jew baiting. Zelensky's religion is not material to the issues that started this war as you are well aware. You Jew bait to incite hatred of Jewish people right down to the small J in Jew. The fact is you don't raise Putin's religion or your own. Is your religion relevant? Should I make disparaging remarks about your Christian beliefs? How is it relevant to the issues. Deal with it? I am. I am confronting you as a hate monger. Its all I can do on a board where you hide behind an American sounding name.

    Next how does you engaging in Jew baiting relate to your accusations of drones and poison gas and now genocide. Finish your slurs don't engage in passive bullshit. Finish your hatred and say Zelensky is a Jew engaging in genocide gassing harmless civilians like Nazis did Jews in Ukraine. Go on then,finish your cowardly accusation. Its called holocaust inversion. You equate Zelensky to being a Nazi when you know he is the son of holocaust survivors and you are well aware the movement you support hates Jews.

    Spit it out man. You are part of an ultra-nationalist movement that is as anti semitic as any Ukrainian you accuse of being one.

    The fact is and you are well aware Jews suffered from mass killings (pogroms) culminating in the holocaust and suffered at the hands of both Ukrainians and Russians equally. You are well aware that since WW2, the 45,000 Jews of Ukraine lived in relative peace with incidents on a personal but not government level. You are damn well aware other than Israel Ukraine is the only country that has had Jewish leaders since 2014.

    You are damn well aware no Jew wants a war in Ukraine or Russia and they try remain loyal to their country of citizenship but live in societies with lengthy history of anti semitism.

    You are well aware Putin is supported by extremists like you who refer to Jews as "cosmopolitans", i.e., having no loyalty. You don't give a damn if Jews are Ukrainian or Russian you give a damn they are JEWS which is precisely why you single out Zelensky as a JEW.

    Ukraine has had close ties with Israel since its independence. Israel has also had to forge an alliance with Putin to a limited extent to avoid a conflict in Syria where Russia openly supports Iran and Hezbollah two enemies of Israel.

    As for your comments about Zelensky being tied to gassing Russian civilians I call you out as fabricating this to equate a holocaust survivor with gassing people to ridicule what he survived. You engage in false narratives that belittle is holocaust survivor link.

    As for your selective outrage about drones, it speaks for itself.

    You have an agenda to piss on Ukrainians because they dare to be independent and you throw in the Jew baiting to reveal your true roots, just another Jew baiting East European looking to spread hatred against anyone that questions your own fascist extremist views.
     
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    Revisionist history-this coming from someone who accuses the son of holocaust survivors as a Nazi engaging in gassing of Russian civilians and who is an open anti semite calling others Nazis.

    Revisionist? Yes and your take on Ukraine being Russian is not revisionist.

    What a joke.
     
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    So there it is. You justify the Jew baiting on this thread claiming Zelensky made it the issue.

    You know damn well his comments you quote arose only AFTER Putin called him and Ukrainians Nazis.

    Let's get this clear. You can call a Jew a Nazi, and then when he tells you he is a holocaust survivor, that is your reason he is being called a Nazi and you and others engage in Jew baiting?

    You done?

    Got it. The anti semitic sewage on this thread speaks loudly.
     
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    Wingnuts often prefer graffiti.

    The credibility of your insights into the Grayzone's content regarding Zelensky and Ukraine's neo-Nazi paramilitaries would be greatly enhanced if you could point out any factual errors in its reporting; although, I understand how cognitive bias makes reality less scary for some.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/

    "Back in October 2019, as the war in eastern Ukraine dragged on, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky traveled to Zolote, a town situated firmly in the 'gray zone' of Donbas, where over 14,000 had been killed, mostly on the pro-Russian side.

    "There, the president encountered the hardened veterans of extreme right paramilitary units keeping up the fight against separatists just a few miles away."
     
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    No adhominem in calling Kremlin propaganda what it is. The
    Propaganda you post is so froth with untruths that the only way to respond to it is that it is nonsense. Stalin called any Ukrainians who were nationalists, fought for an independent Ukraine, and/or who were anti-fascists. So don’t give that old false ad hominem BS. I expose Russian propaganda with the truth is that what bothers you.
     
  10. zoom_copter66

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    Like I said.....it's a bull$hit site....with a low viewer base.
     
  11. georgephillip

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    Corporate Media made Zelensky's alleged "Jewishness" as issue by claiming there was no Nazi presence in Ukraine, in spite of Zelensky's defense of Ukrainians who celebrate Stepan Bandera:
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    "Ukrainian presidential candidate Volodymyr Zelensky believes Ukrainians should also praise modern day heroes, those working in art and literature, on all heroes of Ukraine.

    "'There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing. He was one of those who defended the freedom of Ukraine. But I think that when we name so many streets, bridges by the same name, this is not quite right,' he said in an interview with RBC-Ukraine."

    https://www.unian.info/politics/105...ans-should-also-praise-modern-day-heroes.html

    Zelensky was elected to bring peace to the civil war that had been raging in Ukraine for five years. Far-right fighters made it clear there would be no "capitulation" on their watch, and none of this would have ever transpired absent US-supported, far-right killers who murdered protestors and police officers to drive a duly elected president from office in 2014.
     
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    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Regardless of your personal bias, The Gray Zone was correct about Zelensky's failure in Zolote because Nazis opposed his efforts at de-escalation:

    https://www.radicalrightanalysis.co...ruggles-to-contain-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem/

    "There is a serious problem behind all of this, because despite the signing by Ukraine of the so-called the 'Steinmeier formula', which defines the mechanism for enacting of the law on a special procedure for local self-government on this territory, despite the process of exchange of prisoners, as well as the obvious intention of the new Ukrainian authorities to fulfill their election promises and achieve peace in the east of their country, this goal remains unattainable.

    "Moreover, this is due to the tough position of the Ukrainian radical right.

    "What happened and why do we speak about the radical right?

    "We are talking about the militants of the National Corps Party, linked directly to the 'Azov' National Guard Corps of Ukraine (the former 'Azov volunteer battalion'), and the neo-Nazi organization C-14, which were recognized in 2018 by the US State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor as a “Nationalist Hate Group”.
     
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    So point out one specific non-truth in my link.

    "How Ukraine’s Jewish president Zelensky made peace with neo-Nazi paramilitaries on front lines of war with Russia"

    https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/
     
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    And yet the west is keen on putting the blame on Putin. Maybe it is because Putin spelled it out first and the west can't take being outdone & outmanoeuvred by Russia?
    I don't think it will cease to exist entirely. I am looking forward to free Donbas Republics and Zelinsky residing in Florida surrounded by Latino street gangs plotting to get their hands on his gold.
     
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    Hopefully "about to win" will spur the US to do something good for a change.
     
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    Oooooo .....
    Ouch.jpg
     
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    Mafiosi has a much better chance of ceasing and collapsing once the $hitshow ends.

    Think of the sanctions as the "anaconda" crushing the life outta the great Laptestan.:)
     
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    Sanctions have been quite the fail .. the majority of the world not joining in .. Europe feeling the brunt of the pain with little gain.

    Zelinski should have observed the minsk agreement ... see what you get when you cross the Bear !
     
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    Based on your posts you appear to have swallowed the Putin fecal matter of claiming that Ukraine is run by NAZIS. Hence Putin is using that lie to justify his invasion of Ukraine. Putin and his supporters in Russia need to address NAZISM in Russia. The founder of AZOV was indeed very right wing but that character was forced out of AZOV. There are Neo Nazis in the US, Germany, Norway, Hungary and in many countries. Are some members of Azov neo NAZIs? Likely and sadly yes . That does not make that entire group as NAZIS. There are neo-Nazis who support Trump but that does not mean that all of Trump supporters are NAZIS. who support Trump render all Trump fans You ever hear of the Charlottesville NAZI gang who chanted “ Jews will not replace us”? Look it up if you dare. Why aren’t you screaming about the scourge of neo- Nazism wherever it exists instead of just amplifying and spreading the Putin lie? Members of my family were victims of German NAZISM. My parents and an uncle and an aunt were thrown onto a cattle train and sent to forced labor camps by the Germans. I know that in my extended family there were Jews by virtue of marriage who were victims of the Holocaust. Therefore that is a personal reason you do not see me defending Germans ( of WWII vintage) or NAZIS. Yet given that I will not let you eat up Putin/ Russia crap and then regurgitate it as anti Ukrainian propaganda.
     
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    We are funding Zelinsky's destruction of his country.

    USA Today: "Little By Little" Russia Is Winning Key Ground War
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    Surprising admission deviates from usual narrative...

    'Bakhmut in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region. Moscow has established control of both main roads into the city, with only one back route left open, making it increasingly difficult to get supplies to Ukraine troops.'

    This has always been the concern. Ukraine surprised them initially with their resistance, and while they had them on their heels was the time to press for a negotiated settlement. Zelensky refused, and Moscow has improved, as was expected.

    Who wants to bet that ultimately Russia takes Donbass and the remainder of Ukraine tries to join NATO?
     
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    What "bet"? That's a foregone conclusion.
     
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    What's a foregone conclusion....that Mafiosi loses all territories...including Krym. And falls apart in the process.

    You sure you wanna go that far?
     
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    Zerohedge????

    $hithouse wall ?
     
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    Are demanding that I improperly source my quotes in violation of TOS?
     

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