Zelensky takes credit for derailing Minsk agreements

"Recent revelations from France, Germany, Israel, and Ukraine that the Minsk Accord(s) was a deception engineered by the US to buy time for Ukraine to organize a US-led, armed, and funded war against Russia, contradict American assertions regarding the conflict.

"Readers will recall that it was only after the failure of the Ukrainian government to implement the terms of the Minsk Accord(s) that the Russian military moved into Ukraine.

"In other words, the Russians waited for 2022 – 2014 = eight years before rising to the American challenge in Ukraine.

"Representatives from each of these nations have now claimed that the US was being duplicitous, telling the world that it favored a negotiated settlement while doing everything in its power to assure that no settlement was reached.

"The former Israeli Prime Minister, Naftali Bennett, went so far as to charge that the US said that there were no terms that the Russians might offer that would be acceptable because the Americans wanted a war with Russia. Question: at what point does provocation turn into instigation?"

FEBRUARY 17, 2023
Russia, Ukraine, and International Law
BY ROB URIE

 

Prove it.....

 

Now there's some prime Grade A bullshit.

 

It ticks all of the boxes of logic. Americans will fight till the last Ukrainian life.

 

GrayZone is a discredited propaganda machine so I do not waste my time with anything that they say. So post all you want I and other here do not give Grayzone the time of day.

 

If this is more of the GrayZone crap anyone with common sense will not bother reading it.

 

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

 

Yup....more $hithouse wall.....LOL.

 

Have you read Sy Hersh's claims?
Maybe you can refute this one?


"From its earliest days, Nord Stream 1 was seen by Washington and its anti-Russian NATO partners as a threat to western dominance."

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

"The holding company behind it, Nord Stream AG, was incorporated in Switzerland in 2005 in partnership with Gazprom, a publicly traded Russian company producing enormous profits for shareholders which is dominated by oligarchs known to be in the thrall of Putin.

"Gazprom controlled 51 percent of the company, with four European energy firms—one in France, one in the Netherlands and two in Germany—sharing the remaining 49 percent of stock, and having the right to control downstream sales of the inexpensive natural gas to local distributors in Germany and Western Europe.

"Gazprom’s profits were shared with the Russian government, and state gas and oil revenues were estimated in some years to amount to as much as 45 percent of Russia’s annual budget."

 

File this under "G" = Garbage .

 

Because...?

 

What does your "common sense" tell you about the legal status of Russian actions in Ukraine?

FEBRUARY 17, 2023
Russia, Ukraine, and International Law
BY ROB URIE

"The question of the legal status of the Russian military incursion into Ukraine keeps being raised under the implied premise that ‘the law’ will provide moral and political clarity regarding the war.

"In the closest claimed analog, the US war against Iraq launched in 2003, the US provided evidence known at the time to be fraudulent in order to convince the United Nations that ‘defensive’ war was justified.

"In other words, the UN gave its legal authority to the American slaughter in Iraq because it was defrauded into doing so by the Americans."

 

Because it is...

 

Maybe your apparent love affair with Grayzone propaganda has blinded your your ability to understand that Russia attacked Ukraine to take over Ukraine and it’s land.
The war against Iraq was to take out supposed MWDs not to take over Iraq.
Russia’s used the false claim that Ukraine is run by NAZIS. We knew right from the start that Russia was lying because Putin made up the claim of NAZIS under every bed in Ukraine. We did not find out until we knocked out the Saddam dictatorship that we were given bad info about WMD’s. Putin knows that Ukraine is not run by NAZIS but he is still out to either take over Ukraine or destroy Ukraine and it’s people.
Invading other countries for the purpose of taking over their land is morally illegal no matter what Grayzone , Russia , or you say.
Seriously I offer you free advice get your head out of the Grayzone and into the light of truth.

 

Ukraine doesn't have a chance and thank god for that.

 

Ahhh....yes....Scott Ritter.....Mr. I love kiddie porn.....yup...really reliable.

 

Russia attacked a neighbor whose legitimate government was overthrown by a US-sponsored coup in 2014. Over the next eight years NATO trained and armed 30,000 Ukrainian troops to NATO standards with the sole intent of provoking a Russia response. The response came one year ago and was a legitimate act of self-defense.

Anyone paying attention 20 years ago knew WMD was a lie to justify another US war of agre$$ion.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1233772.shtml

 

"Over the next several meetings, the participants debated options for an attack.

"The Navy proposed using a newly commissioned submarine to assault the pipeline directly.

"The Air Force discussed dropping bombs with delayed fuses that could be set off remotely.

"The CIA argued that whatever was done, it would have to be covert.

"Everyone involved understood the stakes.

"'This is not kiddie stuff,' the source said.

"If the attack were traceable to the United States, 'It’s an act of war.'"

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

 

The Bottom Line is - does anyone not believe the US sabotaged the pipeline?

 

Your premise that getting Yanukovich to run away and into the arms of his daddy Putin as a CIA coup is totally ridiculous. Yanukovich had lied to Ukrainian people by indicating that he supported Ukraine being a European nation. Instead of moving into the direction of Europe Yanukovich announced after one of his many butt kissing trips to his daddy Putin that Ukraine was joining the the Russian economic zone as a slave state. The Ukrainian people not the US convinced Yanukovich to run to daddy. Putin of course was pizzed off at the “loss “ of Ukraine and by his slave boy’s inability to deliver Ukraine decided at that time to plan for open war with Ukraine. Putin of course lies like a Persian rug and blamed the US - CIA.

 

So Zelinksy wants Ukraine to join NATO as a slave state. Ain't that nice!
The CIA of course lies like an Iranian Shah puppet but blames everything on Russia.

 

There's nothing ridiculous about the extent of CIA meddling in Ukraine. (see Operation Red Sox if still confused) In 2013 the US State Department and CIA, working in collaboration with Poland, began preparing for the violent coup that occurred one year later:

https://www.conservapedia.com/Maidan_coup#Tech_camp.2C_terrorist_training.2C_and_Hromdske_TV

"On March 1, 2013, the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv held its first 'Tech Camp'[23] in a series of Tech Camps to teach Ukraine's leading pro-nazis how to reach out to their followers so as to get as many people as possible trained and prepared to follow their instructions on what to do when the Euromaidan 'anti-corruption' demonstrations would be held.

"Simultaneously, under Polish Government authorization, the CIA was training in Poland the military Right Sector leaders how to lead the coming U.S. coup in neighboring Ukraine..."

"86 fighters from the then prepared Euromaidan protests flew over the Vistula River into Poland in September 2013 at the invitation of the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The pretext was to start cooperation between the Warsaw University of Technology and the National University of Technology in Kyiv. But they were in Poland to receive special training to overthrow Ukraine's government. The schedule included such specialized training in:

• "Day 3 and 4 – theoretical classes: crowd management, target selection, tactics and leadership.
• Day 5 – training in behavior in stressful situations.
• Day 6 – free without leaving the center.
• Day 7 – pre-medical help.
• Day 8 – protection against irritating gases.
• Day 9 – building barricades."

"And so on for almost 25 days. The program included:

• "classes at the shooting range (including three times with sniper rifles), tactical and practical training in the assault on buildings."

 

I am not at all confused so I just ignore the crap you write. Why you ask? Simple you just push Russian propaganda which must be some sort of a politically perverted stance.

 

You don't just run down to Wal Mart and buy some sophisticated weapons.nIt takes YEARS. Ever been to the manufacturing facility in Texas here F-16's are made/ Its a mile and a half long building. Raw materials go in one end and A YEAR LATER... an F-16 comes out the other end. And that's when all the "long lead items" have been acquired first.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us...eapons-supply-shortages-senators-5809258.html

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/weapons-shortages-hard-calls-ukraines-allies-91910894

Stinger may be replaced? The Army decided to replace Cobra's with Apaches... EIGHT YEARS LATER... the first prototype Apache actually fle.

 

I'll say it again. The Minsk agreements were doomed for failure as Zelensky saw them as a means to re unify Ukraine while Putin saw them as a means to peel away chunks of Ukraine.