Zelensky takes credit for derailing Minsk agreements

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  1. Bill Carson

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    Probably best to use the ignore function on him.

    Russia won't take all of the Donbass, they'll take all of historical Novorossiya and dictate the rest to whoever is then the figure head of rump ukraine.
     
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    Not implying anything...just saying....ZH has a pro Russian slant...many of their articles one can take with a grain of salt.
     
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    Oh jeepers Bill....I was waiting for you to put me on iggy....I'm sad.
     
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    You mean like Kherson....and soon to be liberated Melitopol.
     
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    I have an idea, how about you use the sources you wish to, and properly link to them when you quote them, and I'll do the same.
     
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  6. Bill Carson

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    Melitopol has already been liberated from the ukie nazis, fyi.

    I'll bet any amount you want that the ukrops won't take back melitopol or crimea, take your pick.
     
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    Where has Melitopol been liberated....did they vote?

    Why's there insurgency Bill?


    That's what you said about Kherson....didn't work out.

    Why bet....you wouldn't pay anyway when you lose.Besides you don't have the $$$ anyway.

    Just like you mentioned Europe would freeze....didn't happen.

    UAF will take back Melitopol during the spring /summer....after that Crimea.

    NaTO supplied jets will come into play .
     
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    Why not.
     
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    Russia never implemented the Minsk agreement. Fact. This why Ukraine stopped implementing it's part. Russia can never be trusted to follow any treaty. Ever.
     
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    And here we see the true colors coming out . . . not like the avatar didn't accomplish that already.
     
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    It isn't propaganda to point out Ukraine is the only country in Europe to incorporate Nazis into its state security apparatus, or the extent to which a small percentage of right-wing Ukrainian fascists determine the success or failure of Ukraine's military reactions.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/

    "Andriy Biletsky, the proudly fascist Azov Battalion leader who once pledged to 'lead the white races of the world in a final crusade…against Semite-led Untermenschen', vowed to bring thousands of fighters to Zolote if Zelensky pressed any further.

    "Meanwhile, a parliamentarian from the party of former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko openly fantasized about Zelensky being blown to bits by a militant’s grenade.

    "Though Zelensky achieved a minor disengagement, the neo-Nazi paramilitaries escalated their 'No Capitulation' campaign.

    "And within months, fighting began to heat up again in Zolote, sparking a new cycle of violations of the Minsk Agreement.

    By this point, Azov had been formally incorporated into the Ukrainian military and its street vigilante wing, known as the National Corps, was deployed across the country under the watch of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, and alongside the National Police.

    "In December 2021, Zelensky would be seen delivering a 'Hero of Ukraine' award to a leader of the fascistic Right Sector in a ceremony in Ukraine’s parliament.

    "A full-scale conflict with Russia was approaching, and the distance between Zelensky and the extremist paramilitaries was closing fast.

    "This February 24, when Russian President Vladimir Putin sent troops into Ukrainian territory on a stated mission to 'demilitarize and denazify' the country, US media embarked on a mission of its own: to deny the power of neo-Nazi paramilitaries over the country’s military and political sphere. '"
     
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    This is nothing but pro Russian anti Ukrainian propaganda which you are using to attempt to justify Putin’s criminal invasion of Ukraine. Putin’s de azification is total BS and you know it. You should be ashamed to post such rubbish from GreyZone..

    Here is my proof that your article and what you say is nothing but pro Russian and Anti Ukrainian propaganda :

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone


    The Grayzone is a far-left[13] news website and blog[17] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[14] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[18] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[1] A fringe website,[23] The Grayzone is known for misleading reporting[24] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes.[1][15][25] The Grayzone has denied human rights abuses against Uyghurs,[29] promulgated conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria and other regions,[30][31] and promoted pro-Russian propaganda during the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[28] The Grayzone has been described by Commentary as a propaganda shop devoted to pushing pro-Assad, pro-Maduro, pro-Putin, and pro-Hamas narratives.[32]”.
     
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    Still posting ...."grayzone" urinal material. Some people never learn.
     
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    You want proof? Okie dokie

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    https://www.rt.com/news/571536-massaro-azov-bandera-ukraine/

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    US official endorses neo-Nazi Ukrainian regiment
    The Helsinki Commission’s Paul Massaro posted images of his Azov flag and Stepan Bandera patch
     
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    Its weird he calls them nazi's in one breath and jews in the next. You'd think the cognitive dissonance would get to him, but apparently not.
     
  16. zoom_copter66

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    Heyyy Paul Massaro.....he was in podcast recently with Operator Starsky, great video...wanna see....I have Starskys contact #....Bill.

    We plan to meet in Germany when this shitshows over, Berlin sounds OK....I'll be at Ag Expo in Hanover....there's a great place in Berlin....Odessa Platz recently named,Bill.


    Anyway....here's some dead Nazi Wankers Bill....enjoy.

    https://twitter.com/11Knuk123/status/1625907341571895304?s=20
     
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    Lol. The naZis have been grinding away and losing hundreds a day to take mere meters per day, if that, and they've suffered huge losses in their previous gains. Meanwhile, the ruZZian economy is shrinking, their industry faltering due to lack of materials, their revenues falling due to import bans and price caps.

    Reality is coming for them and for you, and you're not going to like it.
     
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    That is a lot of dead meat.
     
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    Mafioso looks good dead.:)
     
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    Gee...I think Bill should consider moving his Sberbank shares outta Mafialand.....because when Muscovia crashes and burns....splinters off. It'll be Germany 1945....where Deutschmarks were useless and you needed a pickup truck full just to buy a loaf of bread.....:).
     
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    Thats a nice fantasy mate .. but the sanctions have been a disaster for Europe .. who is buckling under the pressure .. Germany in particular .. internal pressure building ... longing for the days of cheap energy from Russia .. German Industry getting crushed.

    Tis true ... the Azov Nazi been grinding away .. feeding the green teen soldiers into the meat grinder and you are correct that I do not like this reality but fortunately I not living in Ukraine .. so nothing is coming for me young apprentice.

    It is true that the Russia casualty rate had a big increase during the latest offensive .. which managed to secure vital supply lines. This high offensive casualty rate is nothing to cheer about paddy .. Russia is the one gonna be playing defense most of the time .. Ukraine trying to take back the land .. Why you are cheering on this high death rate .. cheering the feeding of teen boys into this meat grinder .. this I do not understand ?

    but, this high casualty rate for offensive action is nothing to cheer about if one is on the side of Ukraine ?? W


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    There you go repeating the same lies over and over. Doesn't matter how many times you're shown irrefutably that these lies aren't true, you just keep repeating them.
     
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    Ummm...gifty...where's Europe buckling....also....I thought Europe was suppose to freeze this winter?:)).....I've talked to a couple of German contacts in Hanover and Magdeburg....they're showering and washing their hands in warm water?

    According to the Potemkin consortium here...this shouldn't be happening....the masses were expected to tear apart furniture and use it for kindling fire in their frigid apartments?:)
     
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    Learn this:
     
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    What did the Gray Zone get wrong about Zelensky's confrontation with Azov in Zolote?

    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/6652

    "Andriy Biletsky, head of National Corps and the Azov Battalion, threatened Zelensky on his YouTube channel that more veterans would head to Zolote if the president tried to evict them from the town.

    "'There will be thousands there instead of several dozen,' he said.

    "Meanwhile, National Police Deputy Chief Vadym Troyan, who was previously Biletsky’s deputy in Azov in 2014, reported on Oct. 27 that the veterans had removed their weapons from Zolote. Troyan claimed the veterans had held the weapons legally, although military officials had previously stated the opposite.

    "Singer Sofia Fedyna, who is a lawmaker with the European Solidarity party of former President Petro Poroshenko, which has 27 seats in parliament, was particularly aggressive in her response.

    "She issued physical threats against Zelensky.

    "'Mr. President thinks he is immortal,' she said in a video shared on Facebook. 'A grenade may explode there, by chance. And it would be the nicest if this happened during Moscow’s shelling when someone comes to the front line wearing a white or blue shirt.'

    "Zelensky has previously visited the front line dressed in civilian clothing, rather than military fatigues."
     

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