Zelenskyy: Ukraine is kept (by the West) in artificial deficits of weapons

They have a hard time doing that at the donbass according to most neutral reports, I think we'll be okay.

 

Bizzaro world

1950
Corporate America: Hey we want some of that sweet taxpayer money.

Government: Let's start a soft war against the communist boogie man, Russia. We'll pretend to be in great danger and throw money at you to make weapons.

Conservatives: Yay! Let's do it

2024
Corporate America: Hey we want some of that sweet taxpayer money.

Government: Let's start a soft war against the fascist boogie man, Russia. We'll pretend to be in great danger and throw money at you to make weapons.

Liberals: Yay! Let's do it!

Wait, that's not bizzaro world. That's the world we live in.

 

Meanwhile Russia is living in the 9th century..

 

Hair on fire response... Because we are saying Europe should take a more intense roll in the defense spending in Ukraine, as this is their back yard issue, is not being an isolationist. We have a $34 trillion dollar deficit, a homeless crisis... and immigrant crisis.... and an illiteracy crisis.... and a healthcare crisis.... and a mental health crisis.... maybe we should look at fixing much of what is ailing the US and let Europe take the lead on European issues?!

 

The UN is part of that system. There doesn't need to be just one alliance.

 

It's not like you just gave them money. You assisted with military aid and expertise and other things which support American jobs and technological development.

 

To save lives, why doesn't Ukraine stop fighting, and call for a diplomatic solution between itself and Russia.

 

Real life is messy.

There are two ideological extremes. Do nothing and shut yourself off or send over troops and your best equipment. US has taken a modest, compromised approach, like a sensible adult does. If anything a little cautious, but let's not split hairs.

 

So says the military industrial complex... Yes, war is good business for the Oligarchs.

 

Europe certainly should ramp up defense spending in response to Russian aggression.
That is happening.

“Macron has pushed France's defence industry to switch to "war economy" mode and ramp up production.”
FRANCE 24, France's Macron, Ukraine's Zelensky to sign bilateral security agreement on Friday,
Issued on: 15/02/2024 - 10:06.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...al-security-agreement-on-friday-élysée-palace

 

They have a hard time due to all the help Ukraine receives from outside. Without that help, Russians won't have such a hard time.

 

What war since WW2 has increased America’s national security? The war debts have increased the national debt which is a real threat to America’s security.

 

The UN isn't supposed to be a 'part' of that system, it was supposed to be THE system. So we are in fact admitting that it's useless and toothless in the face of international disputes, and the US "has to take this leading role" because reasons I guess.

And no, supporting the limited arms industry is not supporting jobs. An argument neo-cons would make(but even half of them don't believe anymore), now liberals are making it. For Ukraine! The framers weep, as the revolution meant nothing.

 

Russia massive invasion force was stopped in its tracks on Day One with hand held spare RPG's.
Putin has been forced to up Russia's military/security spending to 40% of the budget to stop Ukraine's military from advancing.
The long term impact of such desperate measures will be severe.

 

Despite our involvement around the world as a Superpower , still so many wars.

Imagine if USA withdraw from the world and isolate herself in continental USA, how many wars would break out?

Oh , don’t for a minute think those offshore wars far away would spare America. Those war will come to American soil one way or another.

 

Ronald Reagan : hay , what happened to conservative party I built after winning cold war without firing a single shot, secure US supremacy for next 50 years, created 8 million jobs?

MAGA – Ronnie go back to sleep… ..we want P*** grabbing “ one day dictator” now.

 

You might need that mic if China continues its trend.

 

So NATO superceded UN in Europe. So what?

UN has a role. NATO has a role. What's your problem?

Simply false. That industry supported. You may not like it, that I understand.

 

W. Bush 2 wars costing USA 9 trillion USD. That is like 1/3 of National debt

 

Let me reiterate: Jobs in the arms industry does not build an economy. Typically, what happens in war is that AFTER the war there's massive infrastructure and investment opportunity, simply to replace all of the damage lost. If anything, that's why Ukraine should be suing for peace sooner because the quicker the war ends, the quicker they can rebuild their economy.

My problem is that NATO is not 'nato', but rather it is the US main efforts in Europe. My problem is that Article 5 is a damocles over our head. A Nation borne out of freedom and independence, and the value of such, must always commit arms and resources and god forbid our fellow citizens to European global security.

That is wholly unacceptable. And in light of a lack of any peace progress, even moreso. As much as I hate Woodrow Wilson for getting us into this, at least he had his 15 points. We don't even have something like that on the table right now.

So yes, this was the main role of the UN and if I were POTUS I'd put them front and center to fix the problem THEY were created to solve.

 

Just to clarify are you talking about US or the Ukraine here?

 

I mean, it kind of goes both ways. On the US side, how many people do you think are employed by Boeing, ETC? Actually, let me go get the number.

https://www.boeing.com/company/key-orgs/boeing-global#overview

145K. Not too shabby, but not going to drive revenue either because not everyone can afford a 747 LMAO.

There's only so much this dog is going to bite for the US, it's not a revenue driver.

Yes, individual contractors will make buck, as will some weapons manufacturers but that's not the meat of the kind of investment drivers post-war.
It's in Ukraine's best interests to secure as much as they can to rebuild their economy. It's in our best interests to keep from throwing away money.

An exit strategy is in everyone's interests, always has been.

 

I agree about the exit strategy. It's just a matter of timing.

 

Thank God for Article 5. Only one time in NATO history Article 5 was invoked and that was after 9/11. Every NATO country gave their sons and daughters to die for USA. We SHALL do the same for them.

 

Boeing’s impact in US GDP is 1.5%-2%. LMAO