Zelenskyy: Ukraine is kept (by the West) in artificial deficits of weapons

It's somewhat their core competency. 39% of their entire budget is US military contracts with only 32% from Commercial airlines.

 

Let me be blunt with you- yes Bush did need international support because as you said he needed legitimacy. Without that legitimacy Bush would be another dictator invading a country like Putin did to Ukraine.

So yea, America needed international community and NATO after 9/11.

1,151 NATO ( excluding US) soldiers gave their lives in Afghanistan for the freedom of America.


As an American when I see these kind of thread or comment, all I can say to my European friends, I am sorry that we have such a ungrateful American, but please understand, we have more grateful American then them. We are thankful to you and your support and alliance. We the American will stand by Europe and NATO.

 

41 Australian soldiers gave their lives in Afghanistan for the freedom of America.

Thank you for your sacrifice.

 

Ukraine has to face facts and give up some land in exchange for a negotiated solution.
There is no other end game for Ukraine.
Russia absolutely has the manpower and resources to win a long war of attrition.
Ukraine needs to cut their losses.

 

AJ and I agree on something?

 

Lightning occasionally strikes...

 

Aerospace, etc. Still a minor player in economics because not everyone can afford rockets. Listen, economics is based on two things: Ample supply and the ability to BUY that supply. The government buying space/military technology is not and cannot be productive in a human economy because it fails both of those tests.

 

I do find it cute by the way, that 'legitimacy' simply involves involving other countries. And no, I'm not thankful for it because A: It ended up being the wrong war and B: Other than the token show of support, nothing was actually accomplished. Where were they in the domestic rebuilding of the Iraqi government? No where.

Equally, Afghanistan needn't have taken 20 years if they helped on the domestic front.

And this one, little incident will not have me tied to the European Union. Even you can't deny the historic failure and incompetence, that has led us to this point today. The EU is not a capable ally of the US. She must prove her capability before being called an ally.

 

It doesn’t matter 0.01% can afford to buy Boeing product. Regular American don’t buy Boeing.

You know who does? United Airline. You know what United Airlines do after buying 737 MAX, it generates billions and billions USD each year.

You know who else buy Boeing ? Southwest airlines, American airlines. Maybe you don’t know this, but these companies don’t put 737 in their garage. You may not know this , but with the Boeing product these companies generate billions and billions USD. Oh, this might shock you, the people who takes business trips, flying Southwest or American Airline and fly in Boeing made 737 , they too contribute to billions and billions USD in economy.

But you are right. not everyone can afford rockets.

 

And all of that is good for the airline/commercial travel industry. You wanna know how that industry expands? In PEACE time, not wartime. And yes, the airlines do generate billions, but that industry significant as it is important, is not the lone industry in the US. Or the main player. The three main players for a dominant US economy is:

1)Infrastructure/retail
2) Oil industry(because the alternative energy sector has not yet caught up, though it is an interesting component.)
3) Agriculture, with an honorable mention to electronics. So 4.

Those 4 sectors, if we keep them up and running will result in a dominant economy. That was the case in the 60's when all 4 were dominant. Our agriculture is shrinking and Biden weakened the infrastructure bill with a bunch of crap(I mean, it's better than nothing but it leaves to be desired)

A government that focuses on those 4 things will bring in more than 1.5% GDP. It's main street, not wall street.

 

It’s your word not mine

You wrote

"Bush did that to look more legitimate ". now you find it cute.

As I said , it really doesn’t matter what 10% isolationist say about NATO or Europe. Majority Americans support NATO. If necessary , as Joe Biden and every other POTUS( except Trump) past 80 years made commitment , USA will protect every inch of NATO land.

But this is a discussion forum. So you can discuss all day long how much you want USA to get out of NATO.

 

You know how you have PEACE Time

With 2 things – 1) Company like Boeing making weapon which will make all the enemy fear America 2) having Alliance like NATO.

Then you can have your dominant economy.

You are right about Biden infrastructure bill is better then nothing. Because there haven’t been a infrastructure bill like Biden bill in last 60 years.

 

The people you call insular are the people who have done the fighting and bleeding in America's wars since WWII.

 

Funny, when foreigners aren't whining about isolationist Americans they're whining about interventionist Americans.....and I noticed you're one of them, too.

 

Don't forget the 523 Australians who gave their lives in Vietnam for the freedom of America.

 

Glad you brought that up since it was the first time in history that a US president was found in contempt by Parliament for his cowardness.
Biden abandoned US and NATO country civilians to the Taliban refusing to send in soldiers to get them out.
You know, the same ones who were For the USA, after 911
While Britain and France send in their own soldiers to get their people out.

As US military sticks to airport, British and French forces are rescuing their citizens in Kabul
https://www.militarytimes.com/flash...are-rescuing-their-citizens-in-kabul-reports/

 

Do you also apologize for Biden abandoning their civilians in Kabul?
THe same community of NATO members who fought with us in Afghanistan?
Since it was the first time in history that a US president was found in contempt by Parliament for his cowardness.
Biden abandoned US and NATO country civilians to the Taliban refusing to send in soldiers to get them out.

While Britain and France send in their own soldiers to get their people out while Biden sits on the sidelines like the coward he is..

As US military sticks to airport, British and French forces are rescuing their citizens in Kabul
https://www.militarytimes.com/flash...are-rescuing-their-citizens-in-kabul-reports/

 

Ask yourself this: Is it the West's fault that Ukraine didn't build up its own arms industry so it wouldn't experience a deficit of weapons in the event of a conflict?

No, that's Ukraine's fault.

I have a lot of respect for Mr. Zelensky and I hope the brave men and women of Ukraine drive Putin and his goon squads from their country, but not only is that claim BS, it's counterproductive BS.

 

Post reported.

Evidently, you need to be reminded you are not a moderator, and how many times have we seen you pretend that you are before?

More than anyone here could possibly count.

 

You mean Afghanistan people whom Trump/ McCarthy call terrorist? Yes , these people fought side by side with NATO/ USA and then Trump the Pu*** grabber call them terrorist.


In a statement on Tuesday, Mr. Trump suggested, without evidence, that unvetted Afghans were boarding military flights and that an unknown number of terrorists had already been airlifted out of Afghanistan. The former president has also criticized the evacuation of vetted Afghans from Kabul, arguing that military planes should have been “full of Americans.” Aug 25 - NYTimes


Trump says terrorists ‘absolutely’ airlifted from Afghanistan in US evacuation | Fox News


“There has never been a war — win, lose or draw — and you bring everybody into your country,” Trump said. “That’s a lot of people, and at a tremendous cost already—they’re talking about billions and billions of dollars.”


“The people they are resettling — it’s the worst. There was no vetting,” Trump said. “And it is probably a tough group of people, because they were able to get on the plane, so they were aggressive.”


“What does that mean? Does that mean you have terrorists there?” Trump asked. “Absolutely you do.”


The former president called it a “tough situation” but underscored that “no war has ever taken the people of a country where there was the war, and moved them into their country.”


GOP don’t want Afghanistan people, you want me to apologize, in USA.


“The chaos we’re seeing is not an excuse to flood our country with refugees from Afghanistan,” Representative Matt Rosendale, Republican of Montana,


And Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, Republican of Georgia, criticized her state’s Republican governor for saying he was open to the state’s accepting refugees.
“Will this bring chain migration too?” she asked on Twitter, referring to family-based immigration. “How much will it cost GA taxpayers in Gov assistance?”


“like to hear zero about Afghan refugees until we get every single American out first.” J.D vance (R)


"The Biden admin’s plan to bring planeloads into the US now and ask questions later is reckless and irresponsible.” Wisconsin Republican Rep. Tom Tiffany


“There are people who worked for us as translators who hate us,” said Cuccinelli, now a senior fellow with the conservative Center for Renewing America. “There are people working at different times for every side of this conflict. There’s not just us and the Taliban. There are factions, enemies between themselves.” -Ken Cuccinelli, Trump’s former acting Homeland Security secretary,


And , according to Trump’s trusted advisor Stephen Miller. Afghan people who deserver to be in America, they already come to America long time ago.

“Contrary to what you’ve been hearing recently, we have been removing people from the country under special immigrant visa status ever since the program was first authorized, shortly after the war started,” he said. “Most of the translators that we’ve worked with and most of the government operators we’ve worked with, who wanted to leave and who meet the conditions for the program, already have left.” Stephen Miller.

And here is GOP blocking bill to give Afghan refugee legal statues

No action on Afghan refugee residency bill after Grassley objections (desmoinesregister.com)


But you keep bashing Biden for not bringing Afghan people.

 

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You can always tell when you hit a nerve. It always gestates a plethora of deflective regurgitations because they can't answer a simple question.
So I'll ask you again,

Do you also apologize for Biden abandoning their civilians in Kabul
causing Britain and France send in their own soldiers to get their people out while Biden sits on the sidelines like the coward he is..

 

The former president called it a “tough situation” but underscored that “no war has ever taken the people of a country where there was the war, and moved them into their country.”

 

Still running from the question are ya?
Too funny

I guess you just can't handle the actual facts of Biden abandoning Americans and NATO members while NATO members sent their own troops to get their people out.
Or the fact for the first time in history, they held an American president (your beloved Dementia pilot) in contempt for his cowardness.

Buts its hilarious watching you flop around with deflection after deflection like a tuna on the boat deck.

 

One "weapon" that Zelensky is preparing to use is F-16 Fighter Jets.
Ukraine's Zelensky Issues F-16 Fighter Jet Update
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-zelensky-f16-fighter-russia-1872850