What if Zimmermann Walks?

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    From the definition of Pursuit:

    http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/pursuit

    Let's look at the root words pursue and pursuing:

    http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/?s=pursuing

    Of note Zimmerman did not just follow Martin but, in fact, closed to a proximity where a physical confrontation could take place. His action reflect that he was attempting to "overtake" Martin. When Martin began to run then Zimmerman chased him down. The use of the word "pursuit" based upon it's definition is highly accurate.

    The ability to actually know the meaning of words might have some importance to the matter.
     
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    You mean when T was hiding? That is a mystery to you? wow.

    Did you know in Serino's report Z's call ended at 7:15 and the first call to 911 was at 7:16?
     
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    From the time that Zimmerman said Martin ran and Martin told Dee Dee that he lost him to the time they met was that couple of minutes that Dee Dee states. She does not say anything about what they talked about during those two minutes.

    7:11:42 Zimmerman claims Martin is running
    7:13:14 Zimmerman loses Martin, Martin loses Zimmerman, Martin states to Dee Dee around this time that he isn't going to run anymore because he is by his house and sees Zimmerman "a couple of minutes later" (it would only take 30 seconds to make that distance running and only 1 minute to walk the length of that sidewalk from one end to the other)
    7:15:30-7:15:45 Z and M meet (a couple of minutes later)
     
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    You really need to read Serino's Report. He has the hard copy of the call logs from the Seminole County Sheriff's office and according to those records, Z's call started at 7:11 and not at 7:09 as reported in the media. That means there was not a two minute window regarding T running. It's in the discovery evidence file.
     
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    I have only seen blurbs like this:

    Sanford police investigator Christopher Serino dated March 13th asking prosecutors to charge George Zimmerman with negligent homicide.

    In his report, Serino writes: All of Zimmerman's past suspicious persons calls identified black males as the subjects. The encounter between Zimmerman and Martin could have been avoided, Serino writes, quote, "if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement." It wasn't until nearly a month later, however, that Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/05/18/152979169/evidence-sheds-light-on-trayvon-martin-shooting
     
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    The media has been reporting Z's call as starting at 7:09 and ending at 7:13 but Serino's report cites the call logs from the SCSO stating his call started at 7:11 and ended at 7:15. It is only a two minute difference, but it is important for understanding the sequence of events not seen by anyone.

    Dee called T at 7:12 and his call was cut off at 7:16 which is the same time the first 911 call was made. Serino's timeline really helps back up Dee.

    His detailed timeline call log is in the PDF file I used to start two threads. I will have to go back and look for the PDF page number for quick reference.
     
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    That is a sticking point then...........

    Thanks.
     
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    Look at page 40 of the PDF file and you will see it state Z said T was running at 7:13 pm and not 7:11 pm as reported in the media.

    I've never examined the details of a case as much as I have on this and I have to say.....wow......the media really truly sucks on getting the details correct and they did it in ways that was beneficial to both Z and T so there was no pattern of agenda, just a lot of incompetence.
     
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    It helps prove T did not have time to go down to his father's house then double back to where the shooting happened. I didn't think Omara would make that claim but at least Z supporters can no longer speculate now we know the correct timeline.

    The really sad part? I mean the really really FUDDED up part is this:

    The first cop was there TWENTY SECONDS after Z fired his gun.

    That also raises another question. Knowing the cop was there that quickly, why was Z talking on his cell about four minutes after the shooting? Why wasn't he in handcuffs? I think it shows the bias SPD had in favor of Z from the start.
     
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    20 seconds? Now that is terrible.

    Who was GZ talking to on his cell?
     
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    Has somebody claimed he went to his dads house and then returned back to Zimmerman? Or you just busying yourself, slaying another strawman. If I had a guess, Trayvon, put on his hoodie and ran just far enough to get out of Zimmermans sight.
     
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    Rosepop has claimed it repeatedly............
     
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    Sanford police logs show this call began at 7:09:34PM
     
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    NO.. Serino had the police logs......
     
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    Delusional. His call ended 7:13 and the first cop arrived 7:17.
     
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    Trayvon was shot at 7:16 PM.. as recorded by the neighbor's 911 call.
     
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    You guys need to look at the actual report by Serino in the discovery evidence file. It is page 40 of the PDF file and you can see the (CAD) log from the SCSO.

    It states Z called at 7:11, said T was running at 7:13, his call ended at 7:15, and the first 911 call was at 7:16.

    I've already given you guys the PDF file and page number so if you ignore it again, your own fault.
     
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    That is exactly what Serino's report states by the time/call log from SCSO.

    This really blows the "T doubled back" theory completely out of the sky, water, and space, so I expect them to ignore Serino's report and the actual call log for a while.
     
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    OK, let's revise this then:
    Revised:
    7:13:19 Zimmerman claims Martin is running
    7:13:36 Zimmerman loses Martin when he quits running, Martin loses Zimmerman, Martin states to Dee Dee around this time that he isn't going to run anymore because he is by his house and sees Zimmerman "a couple of minutes later" (it would only take 30 seconds to make that distance running and only 1 minute to walk the length of that sidewalk from one end to the other)
    7:15:30 to 7:15:45 Z and M meet (a couple of minutes later)
    7:16:43 911 call where screaming is heard
    7:17:20 shot fired

    Still gives Martin a couple of minutes between the time he loses Zimmerman and meets him again, which dovetails with Dee Dee's description of events. I still wonder what they talked about during that couple of minutes.
     
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    The shooting was at 7:16. YOU CLAIM "Z talking on his cell about four minutes after the shooting". You demonstrate yourself to be full of (*)(*)(*)(*) quite nicely.
     
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    Sounds like another "unknown" source. It could be possible but with the Crump/Martin hired publicists who knows if it is true or not.
     
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    You mean like Crump's made up sob story about Dee Dee?
     
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    The shooting was at 7:17
     
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