Libs, get a clue.It isn't Whites or racism holding Blacks down.

I am sure I could show many bashing Whites also. No race is above complaints.

 

BS racial discrimination is different in both intent and function.

 

Who doesn't have $5? Why do you think that is racist? Are you one of those hardcore racists that think all black people are poor?

Poor people have IDs. How else would they get food stamps? aThis was a discussion about race. Why do you lump blacks on with the poor interchangeably? Can't you see your own paternal racism at work here?

Not the same at all.

Why do you think it harms minorities again? This go back to your hardcore racist belief that blacks can't carry IDs when the data proves you wrong in the states that have it.

I have actually read it. States have the right to set qualifications for voters that don't discriminate based on race. Like this one.

Why do you demand laws that discriminate based on race? I am talking about AA and don't dodge.

 

You could say that of every race and creed.

 

Actual racial discrimination as practiced against blacks is different from affirmative action. Thats a fact you cant ignore.

 

Racial discrimination by operation of law is still racial discrimination. Blacks had it bad for sure. So did native Americans. Japanese under FDR. No doubt all of that is mountains worse then AA.

But racial discrimination is still racial discrimination and it is still being done for the same reasons. To pit groups against each other and to claim power through loyalty to one group over another. If it was about equality of opportunity it is a dismal failure and has never been judged based on that merit. For a reason.

 

No. That isn't the case at all. Quotas are the only way they discriminate. They also put bonuses on bids and the same with college applications.

Can you allow a world where race doesn't matter, only merit? Where people aren't judged by skin color?

Don't deflect and say it isn't going on. If it isn't you should have no problem agreeing with this basic concept.

 

So you admit its not the same thing though you contend that AA has not worked so well. Why didnt you just say that in the first place?

 

so how is it not possible for a citizen to get an ID?

 

Lynchings are not AA. Not by a long shot.

AA is racially discriminatory. Supporting it is supporting discrimination.

The question was though, can you live in a world where racial discrimination isn't official policy? Can that work for you?

 

I doubt most Americans realize that American apartheid laws that existed till almost the end of the 1960's had an enormous impact how black Americans ended on the social ladder in those days. And I also doubt that they realize that in a lifetime,.. 50 years ago is not long ago at all.



When some random American black child got oppressed through apartheid into poverty 50 years ago, than (s)he received no real education to speak off. That would later give him/her no good opportunity like go to an university when the apartheid got lifted. Such a crap education only gives access to jobs who pay crap. So they remain poor.


And American children born in poverty, are treated as 2nd class these days. Going through the public schools metal detector, in a gang invested neighborhood, is the way to oppress the children of poor people to follow the footsteps of their parents. But at least they know that there hardly is any hope for them to escape poverty. That can't be said about the people who don't know the ugly pages of their countries history. Helping 1 or 2 kids out in some highschool with some AA policy, won't put a dent in the poverty of millions of people caused by apartheid.

 

No it won't. Also, it is racially discriminatory. Who bears the cost of this? The racist from 1950 or a kid born later that is innocent?

Vouchers and flood the zone security policies would go much further. Equal opportunity up front.

 

I am one paying the taxes that supports them, so yes, they owe me something like maybe trying instead of complaining. Entitlements? I'm in favor of cutting them. Why is it that liberals struggle so much with basic fairness?

 

1950? Them race laws started to end in 1965 with the equal rights to vote (only thanks to the federal government who had enough of it)!

As I said,.. some AA policy to help out a couple of black people won't put a dent into the millions of black people who suffer from the exceptional recent echo's of apartheid. IMHO all what needs to be done is to give poor people's children an as good as equal chance in education so they have an equal chance on the job market and on the American dream. And that would be radically different from the idea that local schools get paid by the people who live in the district. Anybody with half a brain sees that poor communities get focked royally because of that.


The amount of solidarity in the US is just terrible. They do care one bit if their fellow American suffered personally by apartheid, because it will cost them money through.... taxes. It's like cussing in front of Jesus.

 

Ok, adult racists from 1965 then. Are they paying for their crimes or the innocent? Don't dodge again.

Your party runs all these communities (into the ground) and I agree you duck them over any chance you get with poor security, poor schools (despite high funding levels) and low opportunity. You won't even allow them to escape these bad schools with vouchers. It is deplorable.

But why are you for racially discriminatory laws? If you discriminate based on race aren't you a racist by definition?

 

The rubbish is that you think it is possible to hold standards while accepting excuses. You lack basic critical thinking skills.

I did, Isreal was attacked.

Never claimed to make excuses for Japan, red herring. Current day blacks have it better in terms of resources, all you are saying is they lack the motivation because of slavery in the past. You maintain the excuse as the only difference, I don't. At least you are now admitting that it all boils down to that.

right, todays blacks have better access to education, they just don't use it. Land not needed to be anything but a farmer, I told you that. To be a doctor one must graduate high school with decent grades (blacks have access), go to college and get good grades (blacks have more than access, they are encouraged with many grants and programs). There is literally nothing in the way to becoming one of the high earning one percenters, nothing except themselves and you telling them it's ok to fail because their great great grandpa was a slave. Complete BS to insist blacks cannot today start achieving.

When the normans were raising hell, my ancestors suffered. Shall it prevent me from doing my homework?

then exactly why should anyone give a crap about what you have to say or believe you? you the authority on what people should care about, so I must care about the Olympics?? what a pompous bunch of douchbaggery

No they haven't. Their casualties are actually smaller, as a percentage of the total, than their population in the US for almost all wars including the ones today. Their sacrifice is proportionally less than whites. The story about peeling potatoes flies flat in the face with Jesse Jackson complaining (wrongly) about minority war deaths in the early 90s, so don't try to go there.They haven't done crap economically except be a burden to the taxpayer.

oh sadly for you I can read all right...

1. you didn't say city, you said sixth in the world, period
2. you didn't say USA, you said world
3. it not the 6th USA city by GDP, you can't even count http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP


It's not a well run city. High crime, city government debt, crappy schools, and high unemployment, how is it possible that anybody would that up as an example of black achievement? That with your basic incompetence at reading a chart and your after the fact changing your own quote to make yourself look better, so how is this supposed be a serious discussion? you are not only making up drivel, you are being openly dishonest about it

 

No... apartheid in schools ended at them days as well. It's also the kids who are now in their 60's and still working. How about you pick up a history book about the US? And I'm not dodging a thing by saying it's just to think the effects of apartheid must be erased instead of ignored.

I'm from the Netherlands.
Equal opportunity in education is a main foundation of our education system.

It's not racist to help out people who got bullied into poverty through apartheid. What kind of knee jerk reaction is that? And I'm not advocating this. I'm advocating that POOR children,.. get an equal chance. It's far more efficient.


Besides that. The idea that America pays the black community who personally experienced Apartheid some amount as if that will undo the unjust, is just ridiculous. You can never put a price on that to undo it. Come on. Like,.. as if you think its fair if I get to (financially) oppress you for the next 60 years, than pay you a million and call it fair and even and you get to live your last 5 years of your life free,... but if you die before that than too bad and your kids get nothing.

 

Promoting the general welfare implies income transfers to achieve that end. We can be solving simple poverty in our republic with existing infrastructure instead of paying for a War on Drugs.

 

most or lots of black people are poor. Poor peoples kids only got access to 2nd class schools. It influences there SAT scores tremendously. It's a wall placed to stop them from going to college. They know their chance is slim. Only in theory do they have access to go to a college. Also malnutrition and poor living environment influences the ability to learn. That also adds up for the poor, mostly black, community. It's an unfair battle that roots back to apartheid that only ended in the late 1960's.

 

What excuse could civil Persons in our republic have for staying poor on an at-will basis, if they could no longer claim to be in official poverty?

 

we already went through that. In the US inner city schools get more money than the white suburbs, and in fact there are charter all-black schools that blacks themselves wanted. The problem is that it doesn't matter, throwing money at low grade people does not turn them into better people.

 

First . . . hahahahahaha! Yeah, right! Second, then they can just get the hell out of the ghetto existence just like other people of other races and ethnic minorities have -- and mind you, got up and out WITHOUT Affirmative Action. So what's holding back Blacks? It looks like it's the Democratic Party's approach to 'helping' them after all.

Funny that NOBODY helped dirt poor and uneducated Irish or Italians or Cuban refugees or the Vietnamese Boat People for that matter and yet all of them said "To hell with living like this!" and took control of their lives. After a while people get tired of hearing the same tired old excuses all the time.

 

Good point, but on the other hand he did pass amnesty which the states' rights crowd (aka racists) didn't like. R. Reagan was also a tool of the federal reserve which is Jewish.

 

I do not give a damn about "the money". It's about poor people getting 2nd class education. That is a huge wall installed for them to go to college and get a career going.