No but one of it's intents is to stop collective punishment. http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=47604&Cr=palestin&Cr1=#.U1Os41c3Oct
Through the years Israel has fought its own battles!!! NOT A SINGLE FOREIGN SOLDIER FOUGHT, WAS WOUNDED NOR DIED IN DEFENSE OF MY COUNTRY... Mod Edit ~ Focus on the topic. Stop the innuendo. Don't make it personal.
False. Nearly five thousand Americans died in Iraq following the implorations of Israel and AIPAC for the US to attack Saddam and remove his threat to Zionism. 76,000 more are crippled and incapacitated. The Israeli urgings for American involvement are a matter of record so denial is futile. An apology to Ronstar is due. A complete lack of gratitude is bad enough- a denial that any Americans died at all is grotesque .
Yes, for the most part Operation Iraqi Freedom was for Israel. and now the USA is on the verge of attacking Iran, for Israel.
Yes- and how the neo-Zionists would love to see it. It's a much tougher proposition now though. Russia and China would never countenance any US attack through the United Nations. It would have to be a ' rogue ' attack by everybody's favourite criminal ********s.
When the Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, Palestine consisted of land between the Sea and the Jordan river, with its southern border being just south of Hebron. that means that the British didn't call for a Jewish homeland in Eilat, Beersheba, etc etc.
once elected harper becomes the face of my country, we collectively bare responsibilty for his behaviour...I've never voted for him nor his anti democratic corrupt government, I welcome any international criticism and opposition that would help remove his repugnent party from power... What other method do you suggest the world try next? The UN has failed, after nearly 50 yrs of diplomacy...how is that working out? Unless the Israeli people realize there is a cost to their intransigence they will continue to democratically support the status quo...I and many others around the world will "democratically" do what our governments and the UN will not do, sanction israel...billions of individuals cant be negotiated with, Israel cant threaten us with its drones or mossad or hide behind the USA veto...BDS will succeed just it did with Israel's apartheid mentor South Africa...
That was said in the context of describing the abandonment of said land for a millenium. Please don't quote out of context, Jonah! If you want to ask your question again in context, I will answer you.
I am on topic Sir!!!!!!!!!!!! I was responding to a DEFAMATOPRY Statement by Ronstar... Thus your Redlining is WRONG!!!
How many Jews lived in the Israel/Palestine area from 800 AD to 1800 AD? Very few indeed, and those few were virtually all town dwellers and a good percentage only in the then Jewish quarter of Jerusalem. By that standard you could argue the Armenians have an equal claim to the area as they had more numbers than Jews for centuries. It is only the religious argument that gives a gloss of respectability to such grandiose claims.
This irrelevance is like saliva slobbering from the mouth... What has Armenians to do with 800 AD...? Druze, Kurds and Armenians are entitled to their own countries... when there is a language, there is a people speaking that language and if these people are alive they are entitled to their independence. The Arabs of Palestine are not indigenous to the Land, they have 22 others countries speaking the same language and from where they filtered in the Land of the Jews from time immemorial..
Then way is it that only Jews immigrated there, bought land, fought raiders, paid insane taxes for being Jews, irrigrated the desert land, fought armies - and gained indipendance - and not Armenians or any other nation that dwelled there as some point of history ? perhaps when it is really your home - you fight for it till the end.
So in other words you stand on the recent colonization and conquest and don't pretend to historical mumbo-jumbo like HBendor and MGB Roadster. "It's our land because we stole it fair and square in combat and through continuous strife and difficulties".
Since very few Jews spoke Hebrew as a native language prior to the Zionist movement and the establishment of the state of Israel (barring enough words to get them through their Bar Mitzvah), the unique language argument is awfully specious. If I got a bunch of people speaking Latin, could I claim central Italy?
There was a Palestine long before 1948. It was filled with Muslim, Jew, and Christian Palestinians. The Palestinians need to free themselves from the Arab Muslims and Zionists !
In other words YOU just changed your own claim about historical rights, you named other nations that dwelled here in the past asking about their rights - none created a state, none paid the price for it - except the Jewish ppl BECAUSE it is truley their home. Israel was built from scratch nothing was "stolen", I suggest you read some UN reports to understand what the Jews created back in those days if you want to educate yourself, some parts were conqured throu war and more parts may yet be conqured in the future if the war continues that's true.
There was never a state called Palestine and the last time that area had a free indipendant state not part of some empire was during the Israeli kingdoms, now it is again, deal with it.
There is now- and there was always a discrete territory known as Palestine which was populated by Palestinians.
At one time in the ancient past way before the Hebrew were known as a tribe....what was to become the Israelite's and what was to become Palestinian's.....WERE ONE PEOPLE!!! This has been GENETICALLY PROVEN as Cell DNA Samples taken from Palestinian's and certain Jewish Israeli's have DEFINITIVELY SHOWN....that both have a common roots and both existed as a single people. I tend to find this amusing considering how each side hates each others guts. But at the same time I find it sad. What is even WORSE is when I and my Team end up getting SUCKED INTO playing Babysitter when both sides want us to mediate low level talks which must be done prior to any High Level Meetings. I swear it is worse than being a 1st Grade School Teacher!!! I was once stuck there for 2 months and it once took AN ENTIRE DAY...for all sides to agree upon whether Bottled Water or Glass Pitcher of Water with individual drinking glasses would be provided at the High Level Talks!!! NO S#!%! After a while it get's sickening and if it were not for the fact I owe a friend BIG and that is the reason why I had to accept the JOB....I would NEVER do this!!! I owe this friend one more favor I figure and every time I get a call from him I DREAD IT!!! AboveAlpha
Modern Hebrew was established by the Zionist movemen so to speak, Ladino and Idish were Hebrew dialects before that and in ancient time also Aramaic in which many religous scripts were written, given the history of the Jewish ppl its amazing Hebrew survived at all let alone be a spoken language. To you very sofisticated question, just for speking Latin wont get you anything in Italy but if your group of Latin spekers is recognized as originanting from Italy, if Italy was not a state but an area designed to be a state and if your group already lived in Italy and established a big communitte and indipendant economy- I would say you have a case, ofc no one will just GIVE you a state, its something you need to create yourself and at best the world will recognize it.
Its not a hate issue IMO, not me or my friends "hate" Arabs, its impossible in fact to hate them since we live and work together, just an example from yesterday - my pharmacist is an Arab called Ibrahim and he is a lovable old man that was willing to sell me antibiotics without Doc note for my wife, he saw how desprate I was and was willing to help me, there is no "jew-arab" hatred on a personal lvl - expect the nuts in the WB perhaps, but the fued is much much bigger than that, it cant be solved loining hands and singing for peace (we tried that as well in the 90's BTW). No one would blame the US if it would take a step back and stop trying to solve it.
There should have been one in 1948, now its just on paper but it may be a real boy one day, "Palestine - Palestinians"/discrete territory do not overrun Judea - Jews discrete territory. which does exist now.
Yes....there is a great number of both Israeli's and Palestinian's who really have no desire to hate anyone. But even the most peaceful Israeli or Palestinian will become angry when Palestinian's and Israeli's die either because of Israeli Military Reprisals or because of Jewish Orthodox Militants or by Hamas, Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad attacks or by Palestinian Militants. One thing is for certain....when we end up going there EVERY SIDE is afraid of us. We are NOT an arm of U.S. Politician's or the U.S. Military as if we were the Palestinian specific groups would NEVER trust us. Usually the Israeli's give us less issues but a few times we were having problem with elements of the IDF as there is ALWAYS going to be a Colonel or Major who lost a buddy in a war and see's any attempts at peace as a waste of time. Eventually....such a Colonel or Major will fear us as well. AboveAlpha
