What if the man is an activist in the settler movement on the West Bank and is currently involved in stealing a piece of Palestinian land? Doesn't that action make him a legitimate target? As for hiding behind human shields, just where should the Palestinians set up their military bases? I agree that many Israelis don't yet realize where the logical end result of their past and present actions are taking them and somehow dream of peace with the Palestinians. About the only chance for this was during the 1980s, and Arafat and Netanyahu combined to kill any chance the Oslo Accords might have to bring that about (them and an Israeli assassin of an Israeli leader). My question to you is: if Palestinians see more bits of their land disappear into the Israeli maw every year, and if they have no real economy or even control over their own water supply, just exactly where is the incentive for them to make peace? And if Israel is getting things basically their own way and any delay in truly trying to make peace only makes Israel comparatively stronger, just exactly where is the incentive for them to make peace?
To answer your questions: the incentive for the Palestinians to seek to reach a compromise peace is precisely that the onger they delay, the less there will be to negotiate about.
let's be honest here, no matter what the Palestinians agree to the Israeli's will always find one more demand that the Palestinians they know can't agree to...Israel has absolutely no intention of ever settling for less than a permanent apartheid system, as long as it has unconditional backing from the usa Israel will never have any incentive to negotiate in good faith...
This is simply not true. Israel would have been content to accept peace in 1948. And the last time there was a concrete peace proposal on the table (at Camp David under Clinton) it was Arafat who walked away. The problem is that the Palestinians can't reconcile themselves to the fact that they lost the war against Israel and can't accept the consequences.
1948, oh ya of course they would've settled, they were illegally gifted a country at the indigenous inhabitants expense...if some organization gifted me half of Bill Gates's fortune that I had no claim to I'd settle for that as well, Bill would be more than annoyed however... Arafat walking away is my point, Israel knows full well what demands to make of Palestinians, concessions they know in advance the Palestinians cannot accept...
Your posting illustrates that you have the same problem that the Palestinians have: an inability to recognize Israel's right to exist because of your hatred for that country and its people.
I am not an expert in this, but I would suggest Arabs would recognize Israel right to exist, if Israel would stop displacing Palestinians and allow them to buy property within Israel territory and in Jerusalem, give them rights to keep jobs, get education and opportunity to become integrated as citizens of Israel. They thrown out even those Arabs, who wanted to become loyal citizens of Israel. Decisions of government of Israel are parallel to those taken by the Third Reich in Germany in the infamous past.
It's the only way actually, They should grasp the modern world and forget about the past which never bestow them prosperity.
Once again the noxious refrain, there is no PALESTINIAN LAND this is the Land of the Jews from 4000 years. There are here and there Arab properties with a Khushan of the Ottoman Empire but this does not mean the country is theirs! By your logic Brooklyn and Upstate New York should be Jewish.......... Go open a book... your <IGNORANCE IS MUCH TOO IMPRESSIVE>, you are mercifully free from the ravages of <common sense>!
Palestine is an ancient land which has always been inhabited by Palestinians, some of them jewish and arab in more recent years. This accepted status is only challenged by European Zionist invaders . In 2012 the legal issue was settled for all time when the United Nations formally recognised Palestine as a State. Attempts to delegitimise Palestine are now- officially- nonsense. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/ga11317.doc.htm
and that is the go to answer when someone can't justify the egregious indefensible and illegal dispossession of the indigenous inhabitants of their lands...the only thing I hate here is injustice, thieves and bullies, I don't care what ethnic group they belong to...
I suggest you support your claim that moon is lying by recourse to a sourced rebuttal or else withdraw your slur. If you do not, your post will be reported on the basis that it's an example of trolling. You cannot rebut objective fact. The facts are as moon outlined them as they pertain to the current situation on the ground. The fact that the UN formally recognised Palestine as a State in an undeniable fact - deal with it and accept it this truth or apologise for trolling. In terms of your first point, the Jewish population of Palestine [what is now Israel and the occupied territories, the West Bank and Gaza] at the time of the Balfour Declaration in 1917 was a mere 7 percent of the 700 000 inhabitants. The rest were Muslim and Christian Arabs. At the time of the (US-dominated UN) partition vote in 1947 there were only 650 000 Jews in Palestine while there were 1,3 million indigenous Palestinian Arabs, either Christian or Muslim. Under the partition plan, 56 % of Palestine was given for a Zionist state to people who constituted 33 % of the population and owned about 6 % [six percent] of the land· These UN figures have never been in dispute. Accusing another poster of being an anti-semite for pointing out an undeniable truth, is a very serious charge so I suggest you withdraw it.
Did you know that the Palestinians have already offered citizenship to any Israelis who choose to remain in Palestine legally after their government withdraws from the illegal squats ?
a two state solution has IMO become impossible, Israel has taken so much land and water resources that a viable Palestinian state is now a fantasy...and this too IMO was the goal all along, squeeze the Palestinians into ever shrinking Bantustans until it becomes impossible for them to exist and they leave the west bank entirely...and then the goal of a "Greater" Israel will have been accomplished, but that too is just my opinion...
No, the neo-Zionists never envisaged that Palestine would become recognised as a discrete State on the pre-1967 borders by the UN, the international community and thus international law. The dice has been cast and neo-Zionism lost. The misappropriated territory will never become legitimised and the old adage ' The pen is mightier than the sword ' will be in the ascendant. That's neo-Zionism's threat to the world. You can accept its criminality or you can accept international law. The two will never mix and the general Israeli public will not enjoy international isolation.
Well, international law is not going to go away and it's against the interests of every nation to weaken it, even Israel. Neo-Zionism and Israel are not synonymous. Neo-Zionism will fade and be forgotten- like all rotten concepts.
Unless you drag in religious claptrap, no-one gets permanent ownership of an entire area of land, especially if they basically stay away from it for over a millenium. There may not be a Palestinian land, but there is plenty of land that Palestinians own (although less of it every year, as Israel filches it away and usually adds it to its Communist system of leasing state land only to Jews (including virtually all residential land)!
It's your fantasy. Antisemitism is called antisemitism. Period. For justification refer to Mine kampf.
