Will Palestine Arabs Integrate with Israel?

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  1. Pronin24

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    DEIR JARIR, West Bank (AP) — Facing a classroom of Palestinian 10th graders, Hebrew teacher Esmat Mansour asks his students who is for and against learning the language. A few raise their hands in favor, others against and he asks both sides to explain. Mansour believes such debates will help motivate young Palestinians to study Israel's dominant language. They need to know Hebrew to be able to deal with the Israeli occupiers, but also to build bridges in the future, he says.


    This is from MSNBC news. Esmat Mansur is optimistic and he is a good man. It is something what would be hard to swallow to Jewish exceptionalists. How about us in America? People like Mansour should be encouraged, because they are pro-democracy.
     
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    As many young Palestineans as possible should learn Hebrew. This is not because they necessarily want to integrate with Israel; indeed, Israel has made it obvious that they are not welcome. The reason they should learn Hebrew is that as the occupying power that is gradually stealing their remaining land, being able to deal with Israelis in their own language and being able to hear/read their media and understand Israeli politics can only help them politically, economically and even militarily. Perhaps the counterproductive use of rockette attacks might stop if Palestineans realized how much they represent a net benefit to Israel, for instance.
     
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    English if you ask me. The Jews won't accept a fair peace, so better to learn the language of the bleeding hearts
     
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    May be in the future, when Israel lose support of USA, the integration will become possible. Otherwise, Israel may get in a situation like South Africa was under apartheid.
     
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    If they ever do lose the support of the US it will be a very sad day for Palestinians and Arabs alike but in all seriousness, Israel is not apartheid like South Africa was.

    Black South African explains why Israel is not an apartheid state

    "A man who suffered under real apartheid explodes the Leftist/Islamic supremacist libel that Israel is an apartheid state."

    [video=youtube;iMDQUTv51ak]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMDQUTv51ak#t=15[/video]
     
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    However, Israel has a bad reputation, because of displacing Arabs. This is not compatible with "international law". My impression is they act very much like Hitler did, but in a smaller scale and not as brutally. They do not have extermination camps and commit mass executions. Nevertheless, their activity does not remain unnoticed. If not USA, who else are friends of Israel?
     
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    So what you mean is that they don't act very much like Hitler did at all then. Interesting observation.

    Anyhow, a nation that is at war is permitted to do certain things such as occupy captured territory and hold it until the hostilities end with a peace treaty which changes how one looks at things.
     
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    Land for peace was once popular in Israel. They killed one of their progressive politicians to stop it. They have an aggressive one now and feel unsecure and act accordingly. This does not look like a civilized behavior...
     
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    Seems every time they gave up land they were still attacked. It would make me somewhat skeptical too. As for 'they,' I was under the understanding that one man killed Rabin. Are you saying that there were more? Please provide some facts to support this.
     
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    Coming from the ardent supporter of illegal invasion of Ukraine, this statement sounds very ironic.

    Coming from a fan of Putin's totalitarian fascist Russia, this is equally ironic
     
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    This is because land for peace have never been accepted by Israel seriously. Similarity between South African apartheid and Israel is exactly in racism. Israeli Jews are very picky. This is not about blacks versus whites. It is about exceptionalism of "jewishnes" cultivated by ideologists and religious fanatics, a micro-geopolitics of Israel combined with a strong racist overtone. Will they accept a family with Jewish father, but with not Jewish wife: Children of non Jewish wife and Jewish father? They judge like in the Third Reich, by blood. Some in American TV are talking of DNA testing! This breeds anti-Semitism, they have nobody to blame, but themselves. Racism stinks, no matter what kind of ideology is underlining racism. I am sure even DNA would not tell you difference between Jews and Arabs. This is a pseudoscience, just like what German racists did.
     
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    Maybe Palestinian Bedouins are not welcome to Israel BUT Israelis are also not welcome in Gaza and Ramallah ..
    Yet know this - If an Israeli by mistake enters Gaza the bastards will butcher him..
    Stop the Palestinian moanings and wall of lies.
     
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    semantics...it is apartheid...

    Israel needs to be isolated culturally, politically and economically...I always check origin of any product, I don't purchase anything made in Israel...
     
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    Explain please. Even those who suffered under apartheid say it is not.

    Too bad. The less money they have the less gentle they will be with the Palestinians.
     
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    I doubt, because everyone is smart enough how to get more money. Being polite and gentle is good for business. Israel is arrogant and "god chosen" country only because of American guarantee of protection.
     
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    And what would they do if the US stopped being 'nice' to them? Give up and allow the hordes of hate into their land or destroy their enemies with the weapons they have on hand and then make up the sortfall of three million a year by having no enemies to defend against and expend money on?

    I believe they will not give up their land rather they will simply end their problems once and for all with a lot of quarterless action.
     
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    This would be a dangerous situation, I agree. This is why they should take care to assure favorable environment for future, when USA will become reluctant or not able to help militarily. They cannot to remain dependent on USA forever. My be this is the time to build new friendly relationships in the region. Years ago, I was reading that they had good relationships with Bedouins, who lived in Israel and were quite cooperative and even helpful. Then, all of a sudden, the news came that they displaced them as well.
     
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    Why on earth do you fail to account for the fact that the US needs Israel just as much if not more than Israel needs the US? The US has no other stable base of operations in the entire region with the closest support facility being that of Naples a three day hike by boat one way and has to fret over which country is going Jihadist at any given time save Israel and none of them supply the kind of first rate intel on the crazy assed suicidal freaks that Israel does and, provides them with top notch technical improvements, computer wizardry and medical advances not to mention the weapons testing and tweaking.

    Not one Arab or Muslim nation can even come close so if the support door closes there will be a lot of starving Arabs prior to Israel giving up one falafel.
     
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    Maybe the Israeli Khazaks (sic - Palestinean Bedouins) have done things to make themselves unpopular with the Gazans and Ramallahans. I wonder how that could have happened? Oh yeah, the fact that the Israelis are gradually stealing their land and will inevitably drive them out of the area entirely might have been a little upsetting.

    I'm more interested in the fact that was the sole part of my post you bothered replied to. Does that mean that you agree one should know one's enemy? If so, why does MGB Roadster know so little about the Palestineans, including his ludicrous labelling of all of the being Bedouin? The problem with caricatures is that they will let you down as predictors of behavior.
     
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    Maybe they should learn Hebrew as that would enable them to learn the language of those who know how to better the lives of those who adhere to civilized society rather than those who torture, execute suspected collaborators, deliberately sacrifice their youth in suicide attacks/bombings and use their people as human shields and have nothing but an agenda of hate as their official policy.
     
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    Yet another attempt to demonize the enemy. It's easy to be civilized when you hold all the power: just how civilized would the Israelis be if the shoe was on the other foot?
     
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    well jewish people lived in europe for 2000 years and never exploded in the middle of the street so that a start..
    plus, I bet you didnt know that, every israeli child from the fifth grade to ninth grade learn Arabic and if he chooses to can keep learning in all the ay to twelvth grade. I know over 30 kids who learn arabic at the moment in my school and countless others who have learned it.
     
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    Since mankind only had concealable bombs capable of such atrocities starting in the late 1800s, that doesn't say a heck of a lot. As for planted bombs, historically a lot were set by anarchists and communists and both groups had substantial secular Jewish membership.

    I did indeed know that Jewish Israeli kids have to learn some Arabic, and that shows that Israel is thinking smarter than the Palestineans are. Israelis are surrounded by mainly hostile Arabs so they learn Arabic; Palestineans are surrounded (so to speak) by mainly hostile Israelis so they don't learn Hebrew.
     
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    Israeli believe in their special value in the mind of God. They managed to convince many Christians that Jews are God chosen people. They treat other people with arrogance, but the other people do not always accept it easily. Palestinians, for example, are hostile to Israelis, but who can blame them, if their homes were bulldozed?
     
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    Nothing different in Israel than in Europe, America and Asia... If you build without a permit the house you are building illegally might be bulldozed this include Israelis too... In conclusion, more Jewish houses were bulldozed vs very few Arab houses.
     

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