Trans teen commits suicide due to transphobic parents

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    To again quote the APA-
    "To get insurance coverage for the medical treatments, individuals need a diagnosis."
    Medical treatments involve the "medical profession". And plastic surgeons dont make diagnosis of gender dysphoria.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    I would respond in kind, but would be summarily banned if I did, as I am on the wrong side of this debate.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Calling yourself "stupid" as you often do and then trying to put it into other people's messages really doesn't work. Those self pity messages are typical gay activists conduct. It's called the "Christ complex."

    Quote ANY message in which he, I or anyone has posted that you are "stupid?" The only person saying you are "stupid" is yourself and you do so often.

    I missed the message where Dixon posted his educational level - and your's as well. Please link to both those, or just tell his and your educational level in response to my message as you raised the topic.

    Also, have you had any personal interactions with psychologists and/or psychiatrists?
     
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    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I mean... Well.. It's good for he DNA pool.. There's an up side.
     
  5. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Glad you realize that.

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    Nothing in this post is argumentative or on topic.
     
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    So you believe gender disphoria is a medical condition? I do not.

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    Reading their quotes also isn't an education.
     
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    It is exactly on topic and entirely responsive to your message. Who is making non-responsive and even denial of your own messages is you. You stated Dixon lacked education. What do you claim that educational level is? You raised the topic and now declare you were off topic.

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    Once again you cite Dixon's education. What is his education since you keep bringing it up. What is your's, since you claim this is relevant.
     
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    You are asking things that have already been assessed. If you want an explication scroll back through the thread.

    I am not interested in pissing contests.

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    Actually I didn't. Re-read what you responded to.

    I didn't say anything about his education, so I won't answer this.
    Master's in behavioral psychology.
     
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    Impressive and it explains your dislike of psychiatrists. Its the difference between a chiropractor "doctor" and an MD "doctor." :smile:

    Are you licensed?
     
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    Not really.

    That is news to me.

    No, I changed careers before I finished.
     
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    That's particularly interesting.
     
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    Not really, I found it difficult to make money in that field, and I wasn't interested in going for a PhD. I've made more money as a mechanic.
     
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    Good for you. Society needs more good mechanics than more psychologists.
     
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    Society told me that when I received a 50k a year increase in pay.

    I'll don't regret getting the masters degree, I enjoy behavioral science. It's just not a lucrative career.
     
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    No, but the psychiatric profession believes it is a mental disorder that can be treated with medical treatments of hormones and surgery. Im the one who keeps pointing out that the treatment doesn't do a thing for the mental disorder.

    No one claimed it was. YOU are the one making the absurd argument that my quoting of the APA is me misinterpreting the APA.
     
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    Based on what?



    I didn't claim that. I claimed that you are misinterpreting reality, not the apa.
     
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    Johns Hopkins follow up study.

    I dont blame you from running from your previous claims.
     
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    Its a crowded field and those who do well tend to be those who connect to some government function, particularly the legal system. For example, most family courts require parents go to a court specified psychologist who charges $250 each for some fill-in-the-circles psyche test plus another $500 to $1000 to make a written recommendation to the court for temporary placement of the children, along with a $250 to $500 interview. Almost like free money on the legal treadmill. Same for such as ordered anger management classes, routine examinations required in certain criminal cases etc. The psychologist I know instead became a lawyer.

    Outside of getting assured employment such as with government or some routine stuff with a big company, I would guess it is a tough profession to make a living at. Also, almost anyone can call themselves a "counselor" and charge a fee with any or even no degree. Another barely eeks out a living in private practice.
     
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    No, how do you judge it a failure. By what criteria dues it need to be a success?



    Who should be blamed for your misunderstanding of my previous claims? Would existing them do any good?
     
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    Success in terms of successs as a "TREATMENT" for Gender disorders, as it is represented by the medical profession. Improving the mental health of those with Gender disorders.
     
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    If I was making that kind of money as a psych I'd have stayed. Lawyers do pretty good, but they work much harder.

    The thing that really pushed me to not join the field was the lack of recognition that each person is different. I don't believe in a one size fits all counciling scenario. And I was seeing a lot of that. When you strip away all the labels, you are really mostly dealing with people that are having a difficult time with things such as their marriage, relationship with the parents or children, or their work, so on. Everybody is different, some have higher anxiety than others, some stay depressed longer. I know I was just a student, but I really didn't like having to look at things like a flow chart, when shrinking people's problems.

    You work hard for peanuts your first couple of years. Working under someone at their practice, but you can do pretty good after that. Or if you are there at the right time you may just inherit the practice and all the clients.

    As far as counciling goes, you don't have to have a degree to be good at it. All you have to do is be able to not be biased when listening to someone. It's not that easy. Sometimes problems people have may seem stupid wrong or easy to avoid to you, but you keep those judgements to yourself. That's really all it takes. That and a string respect for authority. Which I found myself lacking in the latter.
     
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    It didn't improve their mental health? Johns Hopkins study proved it didn't improve their mental health? How?
     
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    By comparing the mental health of transgenders before going through gender reassignment surgery to their mental health after surgery. They couldn't detect any difference. Their mental health was no better after the surgery.
     
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    Your point was that it was a disorder. They said it wasn't a disorder. In other words, you're wrong.
     
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    Can you link the study again I'd like to read it
     

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