What is single payer?

Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with "right or left" instead of "right or wrong".

I believe the two terms above are synonymous.

* Note: I continue to see Left as the colour red.

 

You didn't listen.

The $1m price point might be on the chart, but it would be associated with selling 0 cars - so, $1M X 0 = $0

And, that doesn't cover the cost of production, obviously.

 

Which would show you how wrong you are if they were actually read

 

This is just a joke.

You are essentially suggesting that Europe today is comparable to East Germany.


If you want a comparison, compare systems that exist TODAY.

Compare Germany's health care to ours.

Compare Belgium's health care to ours.

Etc.

 

The meaning of intentionally vague political terminology is obvious to no one.

The only legitimate objectives are those you are willing to spend your own resources obtaining.

Any objectives for which you must forcibly expropriate resources belonging to other people are necessarily illegitimate.

 

No, evolution says that survival of the fittest is one driver of evolution. But, that isn't the only driver of evolution and it isn't our objective to speed evolution.

I absolutely know why East Germany sucked while the west prospered. I have relatives in Germany. I visited East Berlin. I lived through the cold war. I've cared about the region.

But, that certainly does not mitigate for any decision we might make concerning US health care.

If you want to compare health care systems, pick another first world nation of today and compare it to America today. Anything else is just ridiculous.


And, once again, I'll point out that taxes is an absolute requirement of civilization.

Do you understand "absolute"?

 

I'd like to see obamacare repealed, and all of the other socialist nonsense like medicare and medicaid.

Want me to look up homeless numbers in Seattle? Okay let me check...

Okay, according to wikipedia there were 2759 in 2010, but in 2016 there were 4505.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Seattle

You guys aren't really trying very hard, are you? Or maybe you are, but you're just hopelessly and pathetically incompetent.

So umm... yeah.

 

I lived in Germany for three years. I visited East Germany before the wall came down. It was very different but I wouldn't say it sucked. The propaganda made it sound much worse than it was. It was mostly like it was 20 years behind.

 

So is it right to ask everything from the government?
just forgetting that by doing so none will contribute for their is that handouts called unemployment benefits.
We have two hands and if we still could then we should be productive for us and for our country.

 

That's just plain silly.

There is absolutely NOTHING that every American wants to do.

And, suggesting there are no legitimate acts open to our federal government is ridiculous.

What's the deal? Are you an anarchist???

 

Read Bill Malloy's book.

 

I'd like something different than Obamacare, too. I always have.

Still, you haven't proposed any policy.

So, wtf?

As for homelessness, yes, it has grown here. That's why we're seeing it as more of a problem!!

The problem here is that our economy is doing well and the population of relatively high income people is increasing. The result is that housing is tight and prices are rising rather rapidly. People are ready to buy up space and spend money on remodeling for an up scale living, leaving less room for those with low income.

 

I proposed several non-policies. Get rid of this, that,and that other.

Government gets in the way of progress.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm looking at the numbers and thinking that maybe you guys don't know how to tie your own shoes.

You can talk about the problems until you are blue in the face, but since you can't fix homelessness, then maybe you're just incompetent.

We're not talking about fewer homeless over the years, are we? So yeah keep trying to fix the problem. I guarantee you that you will only exacerbate the problem.

That's a guarantee, because I know you can do nothing but fail.

Let's wait until the 2017 numbers roll in, and then you can tell me "yes, you were correct".

Deal?

 

One of the problems I have with universal healthcare in the U.S. is that damned constitution. Since healthcare is not one of the enumerated powers and is not denied to the states it is the exclusive purview of state and local government. I would like to see universal healthcare on a state level. Fifty different approaches to the problem would be interesting.

 

The East Berlin I saw seemed way worse than that. But, I may have happened on a particularly unattractive area after riding the subway to a randomly picked location.

I remember the subway had a ticket machine which was totally on the honor system.

You put a coin in a wheel and turned a crank that emitted tickets. Anyone could see how much (if anything) had been paid for past tickets!! The wheel would turn regardless of whether money had been inserted!

The 8 or so slots for money that I could see all had the correct coin in them!

The subway then roared off through several stations that were on the West Berlin side and thus had walled off exits with the subway not stopping.

When we came back through checkpoint C (Charlie) there was a family trying to come through with their car. They had started somewhere far to the southeast of Germany and had sequentially gone through more and more restrictive checkpoints. By the time they got to Berlin they had hopelessly deficient documentation to pass!! They were very clearly in hell with well armed and irate East Germans and possibly Russians all over it.

 

So stop saying "we" as if it were meaningful.

Refusal to so much as question whether what is is what ought to be is ridiculous.

Given that you used that word without defining it, probably not.

I can't imagine that you've near 10,000 posts on this board without having encountered anyone taking the same stance I do on this.

 

We have Medicare.

Simply enrolling every citizen would seem to do the trick.

Obviously it would mean that people would stop paying insurance corporations and would start paying more income tax instead.

And, corporations could dump their entire health care related departments!

 

So you ignore anything that disproves your nonsense and exaggerate anything you think doesn't.

Got it

 

Oh, please.

If you can't regurgitate an argument from some book you read, you need to just give up.

 

Got to see Checkpoint Charlie and Brandenburg Gate from both sides. I remember we were easily passed through customs as American tourist but Germans were given a much more thorough going over. It was interesting to see the Migs coming in from training flight breaking the sound barrier. Got to watch a division sized road march. Went to the grand opening of the opera house in Dresden.

 

I haven't seen your proposals. Sorry.


Homelessness is occurring in every city of any significance in the USA.

Can you point to a city that solved that and state how it was done?

I want to know.

 

General principle is that if we switched to capitalism prices would be down about 80% and 10-20 years would be added to our lives.


THAT was your idiotic "general principle".

 

Cool! I was a US teenager then, so the idea of machine guns pointing at me through slits in concrete defenses was, uh, different! I'm a little surprised now that my parents let my brother and I head off to East Berlin! We were treated warmly, but ...

Some of my relatives were in Hamburg when we bombed them. They talked of poking their heads out of the underground to witness the roaring cyclone of flames that was consuming their entire street. Not easy for my parents, one of whom had German side relatives and the other having close family in the Netherlands - while being fully American by then.

 

"We" does still have meaning. We elected a president. We still cause laws to be enacted through the agency of our representatives. "We" may disagree with what we did, but that's what happens when there are a third of a billion committee members, many of whom don't even bother to figure out why stuff was done (not referring to you, obviously).

I'm definitely ready to question what is and consider what "ought to be".

I don't claim to know your stance to any real degree and I won't claim. There certainly have been people on this board who disdain almost any amount of government.

 

That is like looking at us dominating the olympics and saying if you team everyone in Europe up against us, we are only better by a little bit. I again point out that those "few small countries" are building on our ground breaking work. this is also why we dominate to a crushing degree in nobels for medicine. The future of medicine is gene therapy. Any guesses as to who pioneered and leads genomic research? Who develops and manufactures the next gen sequencers etc? We crush the world in biotech dev. You can put all the other countries together and pretend they are collectively on par with our team if it makes you feel pretty inside... But the truth is, its our game, in our stadium. Everyone in the field knows it. There are amazing contributions to the sciences by folks all over, and I am not trying to diminish the fantastic work they contribute... But without us, most of their work wouldn't even exist.

The reason for this, is pure capitalism. You can spin it all you like.