What is single payer?

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  1. Thehumankind

    Thehumankind Well-Known Member

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    That would be ideal but still the states are contributing towards the federal government, I could say let that contribution work for the states as well. In the other sense state employers also pay per-employee federal tax towards the federal government.
     
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    I trap you Democrats partly for sport and part of it is my hobby.

    And count on Democrats to step deeply into the trap.

    I asked if you want to take charge of your life and act responsibly to others.

    Your reply is not in keeping with the question.

    In fact, to my trappers eyes, i got a lecture about civilization, not anarchy. A false and misleading claim is made about Anarchy but there is no factual support for such a claim.

    Anarchy is absence of Government.

    Let me offer instance of where this happens daily.

    In your dealing with children of your family. You tell them a time to wake up and time to sleep. All with no help from government.

    Though you lecture in favor of government, much of your time revolves about anger against government. I don't really see all that much difference in the two of us on that score. For instance, you lashed out vigorously against republican presidents. You told us they were criminals in cases. Then you seek to have me and others obey such people. And when you have real criminals, aka Clinton and yes, even Obama, you defend them. Is that what is called hypocrisy?

    I am then labeled a hater for government. Will you agree that for 4 more years, you will refuse to hate government? That for 4 years, you will not whine over Trump since he will be sworn in as government?

    Frankly it is much easier to make a case of a non caring government than one that is caring.

    If true that government is we the people, then it is more incumbent that we do the caring, at a local level as opposed to expecting your love to come from DC. Can you even claim your own state loves you?

    This nation was founded on principles. Do you wish to claim that today this nation follows those principles?

    Why do Democrat crave to change the nature of this nation if they are really pleased with the government they lecture me about?
     
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    Hey - wake up!

    You posted "The Nonvoter's Manifesto".


    YOUR position is anarchy.

    MY position is that anarchy is absolutely and totally unacceptable. And, that does NOT mean that I have to agree with everything our government does. Only a child would think that disagreement with specific acts of our government is a justification for having no government. There are hundreds of people in the US, and we aren't going to agree on every decision.


    Don't go confusing yourself.

    If you are interested in anarchy, you have to live with that.
     
  4. Maximatic

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    He probably knows he's an anarchist, but I doubt he would define it the same way you do.

    Why don't you tell us what you mean by it so we can know, at least, what kind of names you're calling us.
     
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    I also posted a readers evaluation. I put more faith in his evaluation than to yours. I posted videos making it more clear.

    Your argument amounts to you trust and believe in Government and my argument borders on saying Government is even complained about by you. You admit you do yet defend what you complain about.

    I believe my life that is under my control is indeed lived in anarchy. I don't impose my rules on others. democrats make that their life mission then gloat over it. The 64 civil rights is one instance.
     
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    I did as well. I was ordered not to cross unless in uniform, dress uniform.

    East Berlin was hell.
     
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    This is the truth
     
  8. Scampi

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    Dictionary definition of Anarchy : A state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems:
    In short a lawless society, where your own ‘freedom’ impinges on everyone else’s ‘freedom’ result? Chaos.
    Anarchy does exist in several backwaters of development in a few African nations, where you can live out your pipe dreams. Let us now how you are getting on.
     
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    Yes, and the States should be providing funding for the things that the people are willing for their State and Federal representatives to relinquish to being a responsibility of the Federal government.
     
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    That if you carefully read it is the authoritarians definition. If you think you have order today, check out the articles over the election. Even with the well regulated EC system, the fact is some of the media are calling for disorder by changing the system.

    The fault in your definition is you said the anarchist would infringe on the freedom of others. That I believe is the criminal.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/490f0a7d-358f-3e8b-98c8-6dae43e5adf4/ss_the-constitution-lets-the.html
     
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    Do you know anyone who desires disorder, chaos, or lawlessness? Do you really believe that any reasonable person who can so much as read would desire such conditions?

    Is that the only definition of "anarchy" you can find?
     
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    The definition quoted is from the Oxford Dictionary. A good source seeing we invented the language. You can re-write the English language to prove a point but to do so will render any further debate on the subject futile.
     
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    You advocate complete freedom from government which would mean a massive seed change in respect that every citizen would be responsible for their own actions i.e. complete liberty to act as they wish. No laws, No restrictions to curb behaviour leaving a lawless society.

    I cannot believe anyone would be so dumb as to put this forward as a viable society, it would mean rejecting centuries of enlightenment by going back to the age of Hunter Gatherers.

    What you want is complete liberty for you and for no one else which is equally ridiculous
     
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    All of your statements here are false. If you want to know what a person advocates, you don't spew an ignorant screed in his face, you ask him. Doing what you've done here comes off as impulsive, presumptuous and uneducated.
     
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    When you answer the post you quoted sensibly, I’ll consider a reply, mouthing infantile troll garbage contributes nothing to a debate but I suspect you’ve been told that before.
     
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    I wish you the best of luck.
     
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    Doing that would make Americans pay for each and every illegal alien criminal slime that infests this country like the parasites that they are.

    Most good (Conservative) Americans don't want to pay for that.

    The liberals do want them covered just as long as someone ELSE but them that has to pay for it.
     
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    When the definition was created by Oxford, perhaps that was the understanding.

    I focus on the lack of a superior person telling you how you must behave as anarchy.

    Government as practiced is stern.

    I focus on how you treat your own family, do you use government to whip them into shape?

    Do you use government against your neighbors, realizing that Government has the guns.

    They sit in distant rooms making rules up for you. Perhaps that is your thing. But the fact is, I am free, a free spirit and government operates to try to rule my life.

    And this is what you seek? [MENTION=72673]Scampi[/MENTION]

    I have to ask why you seek lack of freedom?
     
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    I fully get why some crave the national plan to pay for health.

    Does this include only doctors or will we also get all the free food for proper nutrition we need?

    Will we also get great clothing that enhances our health? Why run around with a used coat if the Feds will buy it for you.

    Health is more than drugs. it is more than visits to a doctor.

    The common theme for the Democrats is that they know what is best for us and will only give it to us provided a narrow group in America pays for all of it. They want no part of paying or they could easily buy insurance if that is what they seek.

    Taxes are a form of slavery. We accept taxes up to a point.

    I honestly wish when they created the 16th amendment, it had a ceiling. Such as 10 percent tops.

    And that had to also pay for state and city problems.

    The best way to mete out such a tax is spending. We already have spending taxes so that is no mystery.

    Famous at the time lawmakers predicted the income tax would send out nosy agents to peek at our life and examine our life and decide if we were criminals or not. Sales taxes when paid upon purchase do not cause you to lose liberty nor get audits.
     
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    Which is one thing I agree with Trump on, the EU should do their own military spending so we can reduce ours and then we can afford single payer. The thing is I don't think Trump wants that. He wants to bring our troops home but INCREASE military spending. A surer indication that he intends to use the Armed Forces to keep the camps quiet I cannot think to see

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    I have so many times seen the slaves love the master and defend the master I can recite your argument prior to you reciting them.

    Do you understand brotherly love? Do you call government to deal with your neighbors? I wonder when you drive are you on your cell phone reporting others? Do you look for those you think break laws?

    Why must you see your own neighbors in such an unfriendly light?

    They want freedom. But you do not want them to get it.

    While true, you can encounter what we know of as criminals. And if allowed, you will get harmed. But who do you call when you need that, .357 to confront crime?

    The cops? Cops investigate crimes. They can't really stop them.

    I can pull a trigger quicker than you can dial 911. And my aim is lethal.
     
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    Have you ever considered of taking care of your own problems?
     
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    You have never lived a day in your life where you took care of all your own problems.
     
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    Bold talk from a deeply flawed personality.
     
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    Something we have in common bobbie
     
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