How to best deal with North Korea

This has nothing to do with the fact that had Libya developed nuclear missiles. the west would not have attacked Libya.

 

Yes, and look what's happened to Libya since he 'stopped living' thanks to the stupid west. The locals want and need dictators for the greater good, so why can't you Yanks understand that? Leave them alone ffs!

 

There is talk of reinserting them.

 

What are they waiting for? The afterglow?

 

I think it's truly amazing that not 6 mos ago, mr Obama repeatedly glossed over the NK threat, chose to placate them, and openly lie to the US public about attempts to stop the weapons program in NK. And suddenly, 6 mos later, we have a true threat, we have the intel services telling us that the NKs have miniaturized nuclear war heads, and obviously, they have icbms.

Perhaps this will ultimately be mr Obama's legacy. The incompetent bumbler who pushed the world to actual nuclear war.

 

NK was armed by the USG. Treason?

 

I don't know. Pulled out via treaty so there is that to deal with. Also, need permission from SK and consultation with Japan would be a good guess. I'd just put them there and ask forgiveness later but that's normally how it works.

 

They need the tactical nukes IMO to defeat some of the hardened sites particularly the missile launch sites obviously not the mobile ones. They also have some 300mm artillery tubes which are newer and Russian which are a problem for Seoul which are in hardened sites. Of the 1200-2000 batteries trained on Seoul many aren't accurate enough to hit set targets but can still indiscriminately damage SK.

The 300mm tubes are a problem as is some newer and smaller artillery tubes.

 

The one thing that I am most opposed to is a return to the status quo ante--i.e. to Little Kim's being a perpetual thorn in our collective side.

So whenever I hear of someone's wanting a "de-escalation" of the current situation, I want to know, specifically, what he (or she) means.

I desire the total and utter destruction of The Hermit Kingdom.

Yes, this could be accomplished with all-out war--albeit not without significant "collateral damage."

On the other hand, it could also be accomplished by a coup against Little Kim--in other words, regime change--and the reunification of the two Koreas.

Regrettably, President Trump has said that he does not wish to go this route.

But I do think that it should be seriously considered.

 

Kadaffy was killed and Libya turned into chaos because he was organizing taking oil of the US dollar standard and putting it on a gold standard.

 

If we give South Korea to North Korea, will they chill out?

 

There has been statements made that we do not wish to displace Kim. Hogwash- of course we do. The whole world does. Saying we don't is just a negotiating chip.

Kim uses the claim of NK being at risk from the USA and others in order to maintain a high level of constant fear- fear of an evil greater than he is among the people, which already are kind of mindless from his suppression and propaganda. The best possible way to remove the threat to us would be to give Kim other problems- major internal ones, where his dictatorship starts to fall apart. Ideally, his own staff or military would remove him. His people would develop a resistance movement and disrupt all his plans. Real information on the rest of the world that shows the people what a miserable nation the NK is thanks to Kim needs to spread- the seeds that motivate the people to deal with it. Kims totalitarian media control exists to keep his people isolated from the reality of the rest of the world. His horrendous fear tactics, such as sending not only critics to prison camps, but their children, parents and grandparents... which illustrates what a total sociopath Kim is. No human could think that such a person was in any way a "great leader". Somewhere in the NK people is an army that needs to awaken and find the courage to free themselves. We should be supporting and promoting that. Covertly perhaps- but doing it.

Nothing would be more appropriate than he be destroyed by his own people. We should be finding way to enhance that possibility, and in the meantime- isolating NK from the rest of the world, which seems to be on the table now.

 

Should have put them in place after the first NK missile launch.

 

If SK does not accept tactical nukes we should pull our troops out.

 

Helping them defend themselves is not invading them.

Even if we had stationed our own soldiers there (and we're not even doing that) it would not be an invasion so long as they were inviting us in.

No. Putin's desire to create a war was the trigger. There was no danger that Ukraine would join either the EU or NATO without the support of most of their people.

What's funny is that with a lot fewer ethnic Russians able to vote in Ukrainian elections, and the remainder of Ukraine feeling embittered towards Russia, NATO membership now has a much greater chance of meeting public approval.

I can't wait until we station F-35 fighters and B61-12 tactical nukes at Chervone-Pustohorod. (Which would be only about a minute away from Moscow for a fighter jet.)

 

Perhaps not.

But if Libya had developed nuclear weapons, they would be slammed with overwhelming sanctions much like the ones currently in place against North Korea.

 

When one of those dictators brutally kills hundreds of innocent Americans, the world is just going to have to learn to live without him.

 

We really don't care if someone sells oil in a currency other than the dollar.

We went after Kadaffy because he was a sadistic murdering thug who we could barely tolerate, and he was about to massacre a bunch of civilians which was just the last straw.

 

In fact, yes. But we're not about to do that.

 

Russians were invited in. Russians are helping them defend themselves. So no one has invaded.
Good news. Now you can come home.

Only you don't want to, do you? Got your eyes on the prize!

The war started before Russians got involved.
In fact it is more truthful to say it started when they left.

When Ukraine was formed the other year.

Pretty much every election has kicked off. I assume you do know all this?
The history?
I'll pot it.

USSR ends. Ukraine becomes autonomous country.
Ukraine goes broke as per all the Russian dependencies in the USSR at this time.
Country falls apart. Industrial area trades with Russia and wants political co-operation. Naval area the same.
Other area looks to Europe and NATO. Did I mention that the industrial area is just about the biggest arms manufacturing industry world wide? Russia is their primary client. NATO membership? Not good.
Think Detroit with no more car industry.

One parliament two rival factions. Legitmacy of elections hotly disputed every time. protests turn into riots turn into civil war.
The flames begin when EU membership is proposed. Because EU membership means an end to the trade deal with Russia. The one half the countries jobs depend on.
The one cheap home fuel in winter depends on etc.

Civil war ensues and the country becomes 4 feudal countries defacto.


3 of those independencies request help form Russia. 3 of them ask to become a part of Russia and not in a political union with Western Ukraine.
One of them is accepted as such by the Russians. Crimea.

International intervention is obliged by all parties involved in a treaty, that includes both Russia and America. Also Canada and Britain and maybe some others that was signed to safe guard the integrity of Ukrainian territorial borders in return for the surrender of Ukraine's nuclear arsenal to Russia at the fall of the USSR.

Foreign fighters of Russian origin are widely thought to have participated in the fighting. Either as proxy soldiers or just in personal mercenary capacity.

Britain and America send trainers and presumably some nice equipment to train them on to the Western faction.
Unfortunately these people have no money. So they got it on credit.
Great. Free guns if you are NAZI. I don't have a lot of sympathy for these people personally.
Quite fond of the Russians however.

Anyway as wars go this one is pretty tame.

 

The government of Ukraine says otherwise.

We're not there to begin with.

However Chervone-Pustohorod is quite a prize. Maybe when Ukraine gets irritated enough at Russia it will become a US airbase. Then things will get really exciting.
Imagine American fighter jets armed with nukes just a mere minute away from downtown Moscow.

I don't recall the EU forbidding trade with Russia. At any rate, Ukraine would not have joined the EU without the support of most of its citizens.

That is incorrect. Russia invaded first. Only after Russia invaded was there any war.

It is true that we broke our promise to defend them from Russian aggression.

The Russian military is in Ukraine because Putin ordered them to invade.

Good.

It is horrible the way Russia demonizes their victims.

I tend to have more sympathy for Russia's victims than I do for Russian war criminals.

 

Dragons

 

If you hadn't poked your nose in (as per bloody usual ) those innocent Americans wouldn't have been in Libya? Jeez when will you learn not to interfere in foreign affairs you know absolutely nothing about!!

 

Do you actually have a point about Libya other than just writing rubbish?. Libya did have sanctions placed on them because of their nuclear program. Kaddafi agreed to dismantle his nuclear program allowing "you" to attack him knowing that he no longer had a nuclear program to defend himself with.

What a load of crap. You could not care less about any massacre of civilians. The attack on Libya was purely financial reasons

 

Well if it'll make everyone happy, we should just give south korea to the North.