How to best deal with North Korea

What are you talking about? Kadaffy massacred hundreds of innocent Americans who were minding their own business and were nowhere near Libya.

And when people massacre innocent Americans, it doesn't really matter if we know anything about their foreign nuances. Simply going there and killing everyone who opposes us solves that problem real quick. Contrary to zombie movies, dead people don't cause much trouble.

 

I do not agree that facts are rubbish.

My point is that the world is such a delightful place with Kadaffy dead.

Nothing like he would have suffered had he actually developed nukes.

No. It was because he was about to massacre a bunch of civilians.

 

It won't make everyone happy. South Korea is a good friend of ours.

 

If you're talking about Lockerbie, I'm firmly of the opinion that neither he nor al-Megrahi were guilty of it. I've always believed it was the biggest miscarriage of justice ever.

 

meh, they whine a bunch. Might toughen them up to roll up to North Korea

 

I am.

The evidence is overwhelming that it was Kadaffy.

 

What Kim wants is money. This is a shake down and he's not going to shake down Pres.Trump like he did Clinton and would do to Obama.

 

Are you willing to risk nuclear incineration? China has already said that if NK attacks us first, they will remain neutral; however if we attack first and go into remove fat boy from power, they'll declare war and all bets are off. Somehow I think we'd find China to be a rather formidable enemy.

 

If we cut links with China that would cancel our debt to them. We do have the ability to shoot down missiles and have for a long time. Japan has asked the US for permission to increase their military, Your options are not options, any option has to produce positive results.

 

Nah.

I do hope we don't go to war with China. Over the years I've talked with an occasional Chinese person on the internet, and I would be horrified if any of them endured any suffering at my country's hands.

But I don't see the Chinese military as a formidable opponent for the US military.

 

Perhaps. But I tend to think he wants South Korea. Either way though we won't give in to them.

 

Treasury bonds don't work that way. They can't force us to pay them off until they come due.

 

Not sure about that; in a conventional war they would have millions of soldiers to throw against us; during the Korean War (50-53) we were kicking butt until the Chinese intervened and we almost got pushed out to the sea. They threw wave after wave of humans at us regardless of the cost in human life and suffering; I cannot see why that would not happen today if they put their minds to it. Regardless, I do hope cooler heads prevail and this eventually settles down with no violence occurring.

 

Is it? I don't know what 'evidence' you're referring to (think 'fake news'?), but anyway you believe it if you want to, but I don't.

 

We would use nuclear weapons to protect South Korea if we were unable to defend them conventionally.

Of course, if a Chinese intervention didn't go so far as to threaten the existence of the South, that would be different.

 

Yes.

 

Sorry Toggle but that first clip is nearly an hour long, and the others might be the same, and I'm not prepared to sit here all morning watching video clips, and having done so end up not being convinced by them. Or even worse conclude that they're all 'fake news'.

 

All three are one hour long. None of them are fake. And together they decisively prove that Kadaffy ordered the Lockerbie bombing.

 

Wouldn't it be advisable to consider why North Korea is developing it's nuclear weapons and missile technology if we're to address what to do about it? If we're to address a problem then knowing why the problem exists can provide the answer of how to deal with it.

The fact has long been established that North Korea is deathly afraid of the United States - the possibility that the United States that has overwhelming military might and nuclear weapons is going to invade and overthrow their government. Since the cease-fire in 1953 that ended the military conflict the US has maintained an armed military force on the border of North Korea and that armed force represents a threat to the sovereignty of North Korea. It has always represented that threat by the United States against North Korea.

North Korea consistently refers to those nations that the United States has invaded and overthrown the existing regimes. North Korea doesn't want to be "next" on the list and they believe that nuclear weapons are a deterrent against a US invasion especially if North Korea has the delivery system that could reach the United States.

Many Americans claim that the US has no intention of attacking invading North Korea but President Trump has repeatedly threatened to attack North Korea including his comments at the UN General Assembly that the US could completely destroy North Korea based upon a "potential threat" that North Korea might represent based upon opinion. With Trump at the helm of the US military I don't think many Americans can claim that the US isn't going to attack North Korea and if we can't claim that then how is North Korea supposed to believe it?

Some try to claim that North Korea is an "irrational actor" under Kim Jong Un but their actions to have nuclear weapons as a deterrent to a possible US attack or invasion is completely rational. There is an "irrational actor" but it's not Kim Jong Un that's seeks to develop nuclear weapons and missile delivery systems that could reach the United States as a deterrent to a US attack/invasion. The "irrational actor" is President Trump that has only threatened military force without any attempt at a diplomatic solution. The US State Department doesn't even have anyone assigned to negotiate with North Korea. There have been zero attempts by the Trump administration to reach a diplomatic solution with North Korea.

Experts are in general agreement that North Korea is not going to dismantle it's nuclear weapons. To do so is to abandon any serious defense or deterrent to a US attack/invasion of North Korea. It's time for the United States to change it's policies toward North Korea from nuclear disarmament to nuclear containment. North Korea is not a threat of using it's nuclear weapons against it's neighbors or the United States if the United Stated does just one thing. The US needs to remove the physical "threat" of an attack against North Korea by the United States that the US military represents as long as it's physically located on the border of North Korea.

We also need to end the provocative military exercises that are specifically designed to simulate US military action against North Korea.

We need to end the threat we represent that has existed since 1953 and President Trump has brought to the forefront with his repeated threats of military action against North Korea.

If we're willing to do that then North Korea can be convinced to limit it's nuclear stockpile and the number of missile delivery systems that are capable of reaching the United States.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...s-nukes/ar-AArviUB?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

 

Can you provide a source for your claim about North Korea's intentions?

 

What the heck does Japan have to do with a US military withdrawal from South Korea.

The South Korean military is one of the best in the world and doesn't need the roughly 25,000 US military personnel that we have in South Korea. North Korea is no longer a threat to invade South Korea and the US can still maintain a defense treaty with South Korea that would protect South Korea from a North Korean invasion. We can have troops on the ground anywhere in the world within 24-48 hours if need dictates and the 25,000 US troops, that can be replaced with 25,000 South Korean troops, do not provide any security for South Korea. They're symbolic and not significant.

In any case Japan doesn't even come into the picture. North Korea isn't threatened an attack against Japan unless the US provokes a military action by North Korea and Japan only becomes a target because Japan is a US ally and the US has military forces stationed there.

We're the threat, not North Korea, and people seem to forget that simple fact. Just check the numbers. How many countries has North Korea attacked/invaded in the last thirty years and how many countries has the US attacked/invaded in the last 30 years?

 

The North Korean people have no freedom of speech, so that is a fact not in evidence.

 

There's zero evidence of this intention. Experts on North Korea have long understood that the development of nuclear weapons and missile delivery systems are for deterrent purposes to prevent a US invasion/attack of North Korea. North Korea will not now or in the future attempt to invade South Korea because of the treaty between the US and South Korea that provides for the US defense of South Korean. North Korea is well aware of the fact that it cannot defeat the United States with conventional or nuclear weapons and North Korea is not suicidal.

All nations that are members of the United Nations agree to the authority of the UN Security Council and the UN Security Resolutions requiring dismantling of nuclear weapons establish international law. The fact that a country decides to not join the NPT does not make nuclear weapons "legal" for them to develop and use. The NPT simply imposes conditions on countries that seek to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. A non-nuclear nation has no actual reason to join the NPT because they have no nuclear programs that would require monitoring by the IAEA.

Israel, India, Pakistan, and North Korea are all rogue nuclear weapon nations that "unlawfully" possess nuclear weapons. There are only five nations authorized to have nuclear weapons under the UN and even those nations are under a mandate to reduce their nuclear arsenals.

 

The people of North Korea are not in control of their government so any reference to them is moot.

Nuclear containment worked for China and Russia, both nuclear weapon nations, when their people didn't have freedom of speech either.

 

“We're the threat, not North Korea, and people seem to forget that simple fact.” (Shiva_TD)

Since “The people of North Korea are not in control of their government,” therefore, any reference to North Korea not being a threat is moot.

Containment only works against people, not a god.