Undervaccinated red states are nowhere near herd immunity as dangerous Delta variant spreads

Nah, Republicans will breed people for whom COVID is just a bad cold. That's what Darwin says, anyway.

 

No. They'll just die and infect others at greater rates. Because, like, "freedom" and stuff.

 

No. They are quite real, as tracked by the Vaccine Injury Reporting website maintained by the CDC, where medical doctors report vaccine injuries.

It's verified by the reporting doctor that an incident/death has occurred associated with vaccination, and of course causality has not been run down, these are initial incident reports.

Take it up with them, I'm not anti-vax.

You are needlessly and badly confused. These are actual incidents, including deaths, reported by actual doctors. I furnished the link, click on it and educate yourself.

Fake news. I did not ignore them, I posted on them. That is what you are replying to.

 

And once again we are told that nobody died from the disease anyway. The people buried were all actors hired by George Soros who would not break character.

Darwin was a thief. He should have given the credit to Wallace and stuck to earthworms until he had the theory fully developed.

 

Who is we? Have a mouse in your pocket?

 

Absolutely NOT!

Claiming any kind of verification for VAERS data is propaganda.

ANY review of these reports is FAKE NEWS, and the anti-vaxers know that.

These false claims are the essence of FAKE NEWS!

I am not implying anything!

I am saying that VAERS reports have limitations of what you claim, and anti-vaxers well know to use it to FAKE NEWS.

 

Fake News. They are incident reports. That has been repeatedly stated. Do you want them to be forbidden? Do you want the CDC tracking site shut down? What exactly are you freaking out over?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vaers.html

You seem to have a real problem with the collection and discussion of this data.

Do you have a problem with doctors reporting vaccine injuries and deaths?

Do you have a problem with family members, healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers reporting vaccine injuries and deaths?

Do you have a problem with this?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/reportingaes.html

What exactly are you enraged over?

 

Funny I happened upon this post just now. I was just checking my email and one was a message fromFord Field that the STONES TOUR is not yet rescheduled. Had tickets for last June and due to China flue was postponed.

I rode a tank
Held a generals rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the body’s stank.
....from Sympathy for the Devil.

 

You need to calm down, self assess, figure out what you are so upset about and then communicate reasonably.

326,239 Adverse Events reported in the US for COVID Vaccinations
19,262 Hospitalizations reported for COVID Vax
4,588 Deaths reported

*United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), Public Health Service (PHS), Centers for Disease Control (CDC) / Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) 1990 - 06/04/2021, CDC WONDER On-line Database. Accessed at http://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html on Jun 13, 2021 7:01:26 PM

That's through 6/4/21 or 171 days of COVID Vax.

Vaccination is always a balancing of risks.
There are risks with vaccination and risks with the disease. This vaccination is under emergency authorization because there is a level of uncertainty about it's safety.

All the COVID vaccine manufacturers have complete blanket immunity for injuries or deaths related to the vaccine, because there are currently unknown and unquantifiable risks. It is perfectly proper for a reasonable human being to take that into consideration when making a vaccination decision. As my doctor explained to me, these risk assessments depend on age, health and comorbidities. If you are old, unhealthy and dogged with comorbidities it's a slam dunk, get vaccinated.

If you are young, free of comorbidities with the health and constitution of a young lion, it's a completely different risk assessment.

In the US the percentage of deaths from COVID for those under the age of 18 are ZERO until you get to the fourth place to the right of the decimal point. This needs to be considered when weighing the risk of vaccine injury.

My position is perfectly sensible, reasonable and logical. It's unclear what you are flipping out about.

 

Which “herd immunity” are you talking about? Fauci I, Fauci II, Fauci III, Fauci IV or Fauci “I was onlyy foolin’ those other times?

 

My objections are over your claims that the VAERS database are

some are actual doctors, but many are not in any way what you describe.

Its nice you NOW are willing to admit it is actually ANYBODY can "report" anything, so feel free to try to say what you claim, but don't think the VAERS database isn't misused by fraudulent people.

 

All doctors are required to report vaccine injuries, providers and family members may as well.

It's the CDC reporting website. If you have a problem with how it's operated, take it up with them. Are you claiming that the vaccines are risk free?

 

The problem is people deliberately miss-interpreting the data, a VAERS report by no means shows a link between the reaction / death and the vaccine, it's on the website that a link cannot and should not be formed from the reports.

 

The CDC held an emergency meeting about the link between getting the vaccine and young men contracting myocarditis. Is there a link? When associated with the correlation of getting a vaccine and the reports by doctors and virologist of certain findings about the spike protein when entering the bloodstream it is certainly concerning and needs investigation. Some young men are ending up in the hospital with heart attacks due to the myocarditis.

 

The whole country has reached herd immunity. The R0 number is below 1 so the infection is on its way out.

 

A death certificate could read that the cause of death was heart disease. It might also mention that the person was covid positive. It would not say that Covid is the cause of the heart failure because that would be a guess. An average of over 800,000 people die from heart disease in the U.S. annually. A small percentage of those occurred while positive for covid. Coincidence? Nobody knows. But we do know that statistics often lead people to false conclusions.

Injuries from vaccines? What kind of injuries? Sore arms? It is a raw statistic signifying nothing. These numbers may be meaningful or they may not. The point is that we don't know. They are designed primarily to address an agenda.

 

You think doctors are reporting to VAERS have an agenda?

 

can't anyone submit this information, makes it less reliable doesn't it

https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index.jsp

 

Warning: Knowingly filing a false VAERS report with the intent to mislead the Department of Health and Human Services is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment.

 

so is filling a false voter fraud complaint

the problem is, these can be filed anonymously, no login needed or anything

 

Still have to identify the person entering the data and the healthcare worker to contact so not anonymous.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/esubhelp.html?nameID=patientInfo

 

I think those who read the death certificates and compile the statistics have an agenda. I think statistics can be misleading. That has been true forever.

 

One of the reasons politicians and the media are so insistent on getting the experimental treatment is they know that as more information comes out the resistance will build.

As far as I am concerned the push is criminal. Telling pregnant women it’s safe when the mfg say pregnant women should not take it. Pushing it on the least affected like children.

Many of the posts here show the fact that the propaganda works as many have little clue about these experimental treatments and parrot only what they have been told and dismiss doctors and virologists warnings based on true belief.

When government has to bribe people to take this shows there are many more not dumb enough to simply accept what government tells them.

 

True.

 

It certainly shows an association. Are you suggesting that this information should be ignored?