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Undervaccinated red states are nowhere near herd immunity as dangerous Delta variant spreads

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    No, I don't think he did. He probably told them they were dying for the good of their dear leader (himself), which is what Trump thought (and still thinks) we should all do for him. So do most Trumpers (Stalin btw was very much beloved in the Soviet Union of his day, and there are STILL Russians who revere him as the Greatest Russian Who Ever Lived.

    Yeh, glad to see you finally admit you think more people than we lost in both World Wars should have died to preserve the tender sensibilities of our flat out worst President ever but what the hell, ****'em, they're old
     
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  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    :applause::applause::applause::applause::roflol::roflol::roflol::deadhorse::deadhorse:

    Isn't it wonderful that we have conservatives. Otherwise, we'd have to rely upon EXPERTS to tell us the important things we should know.
     
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  3. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    My body, my choice.
     
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  4. apexofpurple

    apexofpurple Well-Known Member

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    Yea, the 'muh rights' excuse for not doing all we can to save America and Americans from this pandemic. Its sure to continue this pandemic through midterms where its also sure to get more Democrats elected - but you know this.
     
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  5. AZ.

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    To bad when you spread it to someone you lose your point?
    Just imagine if a woman had an abortion and it killed the fetus next to her at the obgyn.
     
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    How did we jump from Delta to Theta? I demand to know where the Echo variant is!
     
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  7. TOG 6

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    Sorry you do not like the fact people exercise their rights in a way you don't like.
    That's the nice thing about rights - your approval is not necessary.
     
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  8. TOG 6

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    Nope. The fact I may make some else sick in no way negates my right to choose.
     
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  9. AZ.

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    May I hope you meet your match with such enthusiasm!....
     
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  10. apexofpurple

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    The fallacy of your argument is believing that spreading illness is a right.
     
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    Just be quiet and do what you are told!
     
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    Still waiting for that quote where Trump told people to die for him. So you lied then?

    Of course all these governors who did a shitty job get a pass right?

    Do you believe that China only had 5000 deaths and none after May 2020? Of course you do.
     
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  13. Zorro

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    Yes, we'll get right on that!
    [​IMG]​
     
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    ^^^
    Strawman fallacy
    I accept your concession of the point.
     
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    I'm sure that sounded better in your head.
     
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    Nope what I wanted to say to you would give me a vacation.....Hope you dont catch anything!....LOL!
     
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  17. Hoosier8

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    I have noticed that the way the Delta virus is talked about is misleading. They say it is more contagious but then say it ‘may’ be more deadly. There is no indication it is more deadly.

    Also read due to an FOIA request that influenza deaths are being recorded as Covid deaths.

    If COVID-19 were modified by man then I would guess mutations would revert back to a normal version. Viruses mutate to stay alive and killing the host is counter productive.

    Our worst flus are corona viruses.
     
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    In other words, you have no cogent response.
    Got it.
     
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    They have to push the fear of the virus. Duh.
     
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  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Did I say that Trump TOLD people to die for him. I'm sorry if I did that, not even Trump would be that stupid, but that doesn't mean he didn't MAKE them die for his Greater Glory.

    There used to be a saying. "The buck stops here" Used to be indeed.

    I don't really care about Chinese deaths. I'm an American.
     
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    Herd immunity is meaningless. Even if you completely eliminate the disease from the entire country, it only takes one illegal immigrant sneaking in from Mexico to bring it back and start the process all over again.

    Herd immunity has a limited timespan, maybe only lasts 6 months or a year.

    Meaning when the disease is reintroduced, herd immunity won't do any good.

    The country might even be WORSE off, in some ways, because the disease was eliminated for a span of time, removing any protection from herd immunity that had accumulated.
     
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  22. apexofpurple

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    Then the virus likely continues to become more and more contagious, more and more deadly, and in the near future our country simply implodes. America is a 1/16" sheet of glass with so many spiderweb fractures on the surface you cant even see through it - it wont take much to shatter us entirely. I think if the death rate even so much as doubled we'd collapse. Hell, we can barely survive without our grocers having toilet paper in stock.
     
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    Trump and his supporters have always downplayed the severity of COVID19, thus, nothing new, and I personally blame them for our preventable SECOND/SUMMER WAVE. In fact, only two countries had a Summer Wave, U.S. and Peru, and in response to said SAD FACT, here was a Trump supporter rationale; ''Because unlike other countries, we value our personal freedom''............Well, Congratulation! Your personal freedom killed 80,000 to 100,000 citizens.

    Also.......

    Headline; Surging Covid19 hospitalizations in the State of Missouri

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid...ariant-overwhelms-hospitals/story?id=78731312

    To Missouri's health care workers/frontline workers/hospital administrators, said significant surge is an indisputable and alarming fact, however, to the Republicans, it is FEARMONGERING when their legitimate concerns are reported by the left-wing media.

    In addition.......in reference to Trump's ''We have more cases because we do more testing'', and ''U.S. has the lowest Death Rate''.......Did anyone noticed that Trump never spoke about "Current Covid19 Hospitalizations", and the main reason why: Because since the beginning of the pandemic, ''Current Covid19 hospitalizations'' revealed a surge, or a reduction of Covid19 infections, thus, reveals a word Republicans don't like; ''REALITY''.
     
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    Deadlier or not, it doesn't change the fact that several new variants were responsible for a surge in hospitalizations, and what follows a surge in hospitalizations is a surge of fatalities.

    For example; The State of Missouri

    June 10th Daily Cases 7 day average; 512
    July 10th Daily Cases 7 day average; 1,450
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/missouri/

    June 10th Current Hospitalizations 7 day average; 688
    July 10th Current Hospitalizations 7 day average; 1,226
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/missouri

    Currently in ICU; 314
    Currently on Ventilator; 169
    https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misrc-covid19-tracking-project

    Positivity Rate; 10.92%
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/missouri

    One Dose Administered; 45.8%
    Fully vaccinated; 39.7%
    https://www.google.com/search?q=mis...j69i57j0l8.11347j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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    Question; Is reporting Missouri and other State's surge in infections/hospitalizations FEARMONGERING?

    Answer; Absolutely not?

    Question; Public Awareness?

    Answer; Absolutely!
     
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    Yeah, viruses will be viruses.
     
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