A Fundamental Reason for Vaccine Hesitancy

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  1. 61falcon

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    Anyone eligible who does not get vaccinated has a secret DEATH WISH???
     
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    Unproven propaganda. 77% of young blacks in NYC are unvaccinated. You will need to do better, and include some sources.

    Although, given leftists' lies about COVID, those results would be expected.

    Your numbers do NOT match up with demographic data on who is reported to have had the vaccine, BTW, further undermining your sourceless claim.
     
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    They lie about everything. That is why they want to control speech, so they can't be called out on their lies.

    But, like Biden's Afghanistan Clusterfark, this is now so bad that they have not choice to but get some stories out that they can point to later.

    Even Fake News Media Is Now Asking Big Questions About Covid Vaccines
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    "Surprising pushback from unlikely sources like Bloomberg, BBC, and ABC News..."

    "Soon the triple vaxxers will be railing at the double vaxxers."

    "Israel's Prime Minister:" "People who received two vaccine shots walk around feeling like they are protected... they don't understand that the second vaccine has faded against the "Delta" - they must quickly get vaccinated with the 3rd dose!". https://twitter.com/RanIsraeli/status/1429878372436484104
     
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    Well Patricio, you also said that in your post #70.

    I've gone back to all my posts and could not find any in which I could have implied that party faithfuls are not able to think by themselves.

    Please do me a favor and help me identify any such post of mine.

    Anyway, I'm glad you found the "clarification" you were expecting.
     
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    Of course the vaccination situation varies from place to place, according to local conditions and circumstances, but the overall picture is clear: white repubs, specially those who support Trump rather than the party, are very much less vaccinated than average us citizens.
     
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    There is no long-term COVID vaccination. It's an annual flu shot, as I've said before. People who had the vaccine late last year are starting to get COVID again now. Meaning that the science is correct, this is more like the flu and less like polio, and boosters or annual shots will be needed - indefinitely.
     
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    Such claims reflect unfavorably on those making them.

    This course of action, ending the pandemic with these novel mRNA vaccines is failing. It's not going to work, and because it spawns variants it could make things worse.

    Bloomberg:
    That is simply the truth.

    UK government-funded BBC...

    "Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?"

    Truth-Bomb:

    "It is now a serious question that has implications for whether children should ever be vaccinated."

    Damn right, and it's always been a serious question.

    "And whether we use the virus or booster shots to top up immunity in adults. Both have become contentious issues."

    "We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year," Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh.

    It could be several times a year.
    ABC News
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    "Health experts warn not to jump the gun—or line—in taking a third dose."

    "Why you shouldn't rush to get a booster."

    https://t.co/2Fqh0sfv4z?amp=1

    "Even The Daily Beast, which has spent much of the pandemic shaming the 'vaccine hesitant' is now admitting that "ultra-vaxxed" Israel is now seeing numbers of infections skyrocket..."

    “I don’t want to frighten you,” COVID-19 czar Dr. Salman Zarka told the Israeli parliament. “But this is the data. Unfortunately, the numbers don’t lie.” A massive surge of infections in ultra-vaxxed Israel is pointing to a complicated path ahead."

    Complicated = Not working out as they claimed it would.

    We all need to respect our common rights to evaluate the facts and our circumstances and make our own decisions.
     
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    It's up to each of us to make up our own mind.

    And, your claim is fake news:

    Young Latino and Black people have the lowest rate of ...
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    "Young Latino and Black people have the lowest rate of COVID-19 vaccination among any other age, racial and ethnic group in Los Angeles County — and officials say they need to do more to make the ..."
     
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    There are a lot of really, really, really stupid--dumber than a sack of hammers--people around if they base their judgments about covid vaccines on what a pol says or does.
     
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    What a load of crap you're trying to infect the forum with!
    There is nothing negative on the third injection. The article for which you provided a link is very positive regarding the vaccines; you should read it.
    It just says you shouldn't rush to it, but wait enough time after the second dose in order to get maximum benefit from the third one.
    And I want to see the full quote of the Israeli Covid Czar s you call him: I don't believe he said Israel was "ultra-vaxxed", because it isn't. It's just more vaccinated than the US, but at a similar level as most of the European countries.
    You're trying to disingeniously spread your gloom and doom obsessions here, probably for partisan politics reasons as there is no other credible reason.
     
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    Then look it up. Are your fingers broke? I include the link, and I didn't name him.
    Blow it out your nose. Just because you don't agree with a point doesn't mean it shouldn't be shared. This nasty judgmentalism that pervades the Left is going to get you folks into serious trouble, probably in an election, very soon. We're completely fed up with it, especially combined with the hypocritical behavior that so often accompanies the self-righteousness.
     
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    How would you know? There were zero long term trials with control groups and we won’t know long term adverse events for months to years.
     
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    And the fourth, and fifth? Sixth? Seventh? Annual "vaccines"? Like I said, when leftists claimed I was lying, COVID is more like the flu and the COVID "vaccines" are more like the flu shots than the polio vaccine.

    Are you going to tyrannically mandate masks and vaccines forever now?
     
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    Leftists cannot even tell us how many people in total have had COVID, yet they spout off numbers as if they mean something.
     
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    They feel they are on the right side of history by being Guinee pigs for big Pharma after making a decision without being fully informed of all possible outcomes, something that is required as a guinee pig.
     
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    All the people I know who have had COVID in the past 4 months have been vaccinated.
     
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    I would bet most vaccine hesitant are better informed about these treatments than most.
     
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    Who in their right mind is going to put DeSantis, Abbott or Kemp in the White House? Or Trump.

    Biden was elected to deal with the virus. That means folks have to get vaccinated and he has to pressure them to do it. He has to say he's planning to put unvaccinated folks in the slow lane where they can't go into places with faces--restaurants, bars, clubs, theaters, sporting events, large events like weddings--unless they're tested. Or maybe not at all.

    He has far less excuse for the way we're exiting Afghanistan.
     
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    You don't have to take the vaccine, but society can't afford to let you run around infecting other people. You must stay away from places with faces--restaurants, bars, clubs, sporting events, schools, museums, and some stores. You might, for example, have limited access. Or be tested. Or have previously tested positive and when.
     
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    Just heard someone on the news hawking the vaccine. Lied and said it was the most fully tested in history.

    No animal testing. Abbreviated phase 1 and 2 human clinical trails and no phase 3 and 4 trials.

    Allegedly would not be approved at the earliest in 2023. The FDA got intense political pressures to approve and that’s what happened. It was a given they would be approved after giving it to over 1 million people. Can you imagine what would happen if it was not approved?

    We will never know past phase 3 and 4 of human clinical trials because the control groups were vaccinated. Hopefully there are no long term adverse effects but we won’t know for some time.
     
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    Really uninformed post. The vaccinated are catching and spreading the virus. One should not appear to be so uninformed.
     
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    This obfuscation won't work. Unvaccinated are more likely to get and therefore give covid.
     
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    Let's be clear. He was elected by the electors; he was NOT elected by the people. The number of votes he got are as about as accurate as the number of COVID deaths, in which they were including people who died from motorcycle accidents. The hysteria about COVID as if it were the bubonic plague was a pretext to crash the economy and strip away basic voter integrity laws and increase absentee voting, which is proving to increase voter fraud, on a widespread level.
     
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    Dude, the Economy is doing very well, thank you. Your post is evidence that you don't know more about Economics than about Science, i.e.: Ziltch.
     
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