Trump says he would encourage Russia to ‘do whatever the hell they want’ to any NATO country that do

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  1. Condor060

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    Its been a common thread through the left when it comes to Russia. Using Russia as a scare tactic.
    If Russia attacked a NATO nation they would be crushed. Which is why Putin needed to invade Ukraine before that happened.
    And why he invaded Crimea.

    It won't matter who the president is. Just the fact that Russia has spent 3 years invading a small bordering country and still hasn't accomplished the task should give you some idea as to their lack of capability.
     
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    The hate speech comes with free speech. It's a necessary evil, which is why it doesn't make sense to say one loves free speech.
     
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    Gonzalo Lira was an American citizen podcaster who vocally opposed our support for Ukraine. The Ukranians arrested him, literally for the crime of justification of Putin's invasion! His father, and many others, predicted that the Ukranians were going to kill him. A few months later he dies in Ukranian custody.

    How is that different than what Putin does? At least Navalny lasted years; Lira was dead within a couple of months.
     
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    Putin took Crimea under Obama.

    Putin took the Donbas under Biden.

    Putin got nothing under Trump.

    Results matter. You will know them by their fruits.
     
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    America has always been notorious for election fraud and election rigging. Of course committed partisans, not you, pretend not to know this whenever their candidates win.

    “Since the country's colonial days, concerns of voter fraud have inspired ever-more complicated ways to cast one's ballot. Depending on where you live, you may vote tomorrow with a lever, a punch card, a marker or a touchscreen. As election scholar Andrew Gumbel notes, the U.S. has been both a "living experiment in the expansion of democratic rights" and a "world-class laboratory for vote suppression and election-stealing techniques.”
    TIME MAGAZINE, A BRIEF HISTORY OF, Ballots in America, By M.J. Stephey Monday, Nov. 03, 2008. (emphasis mine)
    http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1855857,00.html

    And partisans admit The Inconvenient Truth when they lose.

    “The general topic of wildly partisan Supreme Court rulings is on everybody’s mind right now for some reason. The Washington Examiner’s Tim Carney wants everybody to know that the Supreme Court really, truly did not hand the presidential election to George W. Bush. “You can disagree with the ruling in Bush v. Gore,” writes Carney, “but you can’t honestly argue that it decided the election.”

    Well, yes, you can. In fact we know nearly for certain that the recount stopped by the Supreme Court would have given Gore the lead. (Of course, it’s entirely possible that the Republican-controlled Florida legislature would have simply overridden the results of the count and handed the state to Bush, as it threatened to do.) But Carney is repeating a common misconception.”
    NEW YORK MAGAZINE, Intelligencer, THE NATIONAL INTEREST JUNE 25, 2012
    Yes, Bush v. Gore Did Steal the Election,
    By Jonathan Chait, who’s been a New York political columnist since 2011.
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2012/06/yes-bush-v-gore-did-steal-the-election.html
     
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    BYW Germany is spending over 2% this year, and said they will speed up even more now that Putin took things to the next level by murdering his opponent Navalny.

    Its 2 years, and a country with population of 45 million is pretty far from small
     
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    International events and tensions may be moving toward WWIII and Russia has nukes, and I don't believe Putin would refuse to use them. In addition, in a debate in 2016 Trump sounded like he was willing to use nuclear weapons while showing that he didn't understand US nuclear policy, and then in 2017 it was reported by people present with him in the Oval Office that he wanted to consider nuking North Korea and blaming it on another country.

    And Trump told Putin he should do "whatever the hell he wants" against NATO countries.

    So we have "potential" leaders of two of the world's superpowers indicating a willingness to use nukes, just in case you want to question my comment on WWIII.
     
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    While nuclear weapons are being used as a threat supporting unacceptable actions like the Ukraine invasion, I think Putin understands the result of using them and will not. That screwball in Korea is just crazy enough to take a shot. I do believe we are closer to it than I have ever seen it and we all have to hope nobody stubs their toe.
     
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    Then you know very little about Russia or its (lack of) capabilities.
    You tend to use headlines instead of facts to make arguments.

    Oh please. lol

    No he didn't. Yet more fantasy claims from the left. lol
    He recanted a story he told to NATO to get them to pay up.
    But again, you're more of a headline reader than you are actual facts.

    I will say this once. Is everyone paying attention?
    Russia used liquid fueled ICBMs. They use them because they can carry more warheads than solid rocket fueled.
    They have to be fueled above ground for gas expansion as the two liquid propellants detonate when mixed and it takes about 60-90 minutes.
    We have birds looking down on Russia sites 24/7 and the first sign of fueling an ICBM would be met with sub launched Tomahawk missiles.

    Russia's military budget is about 25% of just US forces. Not to mention NATO forces combined. If Russia flexed its nuclear muscle it would be a very quiet place for about 10 thousand years. US solid rocket missiles can be launched and inbound within 10 minutes.

    So you can stop with the sky is falling routine. Its just fantasy brought to you by your own media.
     
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    By your post, you certainly seem ignorant of the issues.

    He took documents that belonged to NARA and refused to return them.
    All the other legal problems he has are at State level. And they are legit legal problems.

    The only party to attempt to destroy democracy is MAGA. When they attempted to stop the democratic election process.
    And actually did stop it for several hours.
     
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    Did you miss my caveat, USA?? Not happening in USA.
     
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    When a DA runs in attacking a political opponent it’s no longer legit.
     
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    Again, fraud in USA elections is of the order of

    0.0000007%.

    It is not an issue that changes any outcomes nationally.
     
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    DA's have to do their jobs to those who may have broken laws.
     
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    They didn’t know he broke laws until they done exactly what the da ran on “putting a spot light on Trumps real estate deals”. They never went after him until he was a political opponent. To those who aren’t biased this seems like an attack of politics not laws. Putin also locks up his opponents with law. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t used to a political means.
     
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    Ga did their investigation into his attempt to change their election results.
    The trial is yet to happen.

    As for NY. He got slapped for illegal documents regarding his wealth when asking for loans and the like.
    As did his accountant.

    But go ahead and think it was all just for politics. It's what MAGA does.
     
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    If only the dead didn't keep dying.
     
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    "Oh please" is not an argument.

    Do you think Putin wasn't listening or do you think he didn't have a translator? Suppose Trump were to win the election and Putin moved against a NATO country. Do you think Trump would assist NATO in repelling Putin after saying he should "do what the hell he wants"?

    We didn't know you had an inside line on classified intercontinental military plans.
     
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    Both DA’s ran on prosecuting Trump when nothing illegal was known about the cases yet. It was political
     
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    Neither was your secret North Korea nuking plan. lol
    Hilarious

    Putin will never move against a NATO country so you can now rest easy and stop all the (sky is falling) commentary.
    And stop falling for all the fake Russia, Russia, Russia hype.

    All the types of Russian, China, and US ICBMs are public knowledge. How many of the hundreds of links would you like to read through?
     
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    So as long as I stay here, foreign governments can only censor me through Google or Facebook? But if I go to Ukraine, the country that has sucked more out of my treasury since the Marshall Plan after WW2, and they are aware of what I've posted about the conflict online, I'm subject to assassination without objection from my fellow citizens. Got it. Nice democracy you got there.
     
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    Exactly. Putin has invaded only 2 countries (less than the US) in 25 years (the first of which he left, and it is currently criticizing his 2nd invasion). And he did it immediately following threats from both of those countries to join a military alliance against his country.
     
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    The people who got 500k Ukrainians killed in a futile resistance, and who are willing to starve people of grain and energy around the world as part of that resistance, are insane.
     
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    NATO chose a path to resist Russia that involuntarily committed half the world's poor/middle class to their cause because they knew their sanctions would impact us, proportionally, the most. I said week 1 of the conflict that Germans and other European nations aren't gonna be down with expensive energy, and the inflation that comes with it, forever. African countries, like Egypt who imports 75-80% of their grain from the region, aren't gonna be down with starving for your crusade.
     
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    I did try, with many posts (and my daily conversations with my fellow citizens), in 2016, to prevent the election of Trump. The difference between me and those with TDS, is that once he won, I gave him a chance and stopped posting. Just like I basically did with Biden for the first few months, until his ineptitude in Afghanistan got our people killed and shamed our nation. There was no honeymoon period from the likes of Maddow and most of the other MSM; they immediately set to work on framing the sitting US president as a Russian agent (for which there has been no reckoning).
     
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