Thank you. This incident is not about US internal politics, it is about US military behavior. Whether those Marines like it or not, they are quasi ambassadors for the US, and that is certainly how the heads of the US Marine Corp see it. Why they did it, only they can explain, but I don't need anyone to tell me if it is right or wrong, it is not accepted behavior by the US military. For those making associated with the symbol, the US military only accepts US military or other US federal or state, et al, symbols shown with US military. By posing in their uniforms, they inherent the US military responsibility. This would also hold true for someone holding a corporate job, posing with company logos and some other charges insignias, I assure you, the corporate brass would not be happy about it.
Apparently many of you are in denial. The skull and lightning bolts are Schutzstaffel symbols...while not identical, the likeness appears to be intentional. Why would a USMC platoon feel the need to reference a German word otherwise?
You do realize that this is exactly how a Fascist thinks? Only the military has the right to determine whether the military gets money. Lower classes aren't affected by the changes proposed by Obama so far. Income tax only affect people over $1M dollars and caps at 45%. An increase in corporate tax isn't going to see a mass exodus of companies just like it didn't when Clinton raised them, and it's not going to kill the top tax bracket to pay six percent more in taxes when during the US' golden age in the early 50s we had it set at 90%. Capital gains tax right now has multimillionaires paying less in taxes than a guy working at a convenience store/ They already do, the US procurement system is a boondoggle. We've had to ground the F-22, the F-35B is working after horrendous cost overruns but at the expense of the vastly more important F-35C since the tail hook won't connect with the arresting gear during a carrier landing and it's HMDS is on total hiatus, we're still using the AR15 platform despite three different programs to replace it and the only silver lining being the XM25 airburst GL, the Littoral Combat Ship is a solution looking for a problem with weapons/equipment modules that won't ever come, we have no replacement for the M109A6 after we cancelled the XM2001 in favor of the NLOS-C of the Future Combat Systems Program which was itself cancelled because of cost overruns due to a redesign in the hull shape which didn't take into account IEDs and a replacing the suspension... oh Hell I might as well just throw in the whole (*)(*)(*)(*) Future Combat Systems program while I'm at it, we still haven't phased out the Vietnam-era AN/PRC-77 and the SINCGARS is showing it's age at two decades old and the Joint Tactical Radio System is in such a mess I can't find out what the Hell they're doing with it. You want more cause I can keep going all freakin' day, buddy. The point is it costs money to develop those systems and it costs money to reform the procurement system and with the only option being given to him by the conservatives is 'cut' Obama has to cut.
So you think there is a Nazi coven in the Marine Corp just because you see a picture that disturbs you? I can see the resemblance to the SS but I don't think that's what the Marines had in mind. Nor am I calling any of them stupid. Not the Marines or the millions of other people in this country to got an inferior education from the lib public teachers. They just don't know their history very well.
I never said they were stupid, just a poor choice for a unit flag...these are combat Marines and what are they going to use? Pink unicorns and flowers? They kill for a living, and the symbolism is going to reflect that as a representation of their Esprit de Corps. Most combat units use aggressive symbolism...my only issue is to steer clear of the Waffen-SS resemblance in your choice of a graphic representation for your unit.
I agree. I don't think it was done out of malicious intent, rather it was unintentional negligence. But I can't help but think that somewhere along the way, someone would have noticed it and pointed out the close resemblance to Nazi symbols (the SS, the German wording, and death's head logo).
The "swastika" was also the Phoenician sun symbol. I believe it's earliest depictions were found in Babylonian ruins in what is now Iraq.
---I appreciate our troops and the dangers they elect to face on our behalf. ---I am not personally upset, however, I do think it is rude. I expect any soldier in the US military fighting for our ideals and way of life, to have too much respect for the living veterans of WWII to fly anything resembling a symbol used by an enemy combatant responsible for thousands of American deaths. These men claiming ignorance of the nature of this symbol betrays a generational divide within the military that should be bridged. Honestly I think it dishonors those American soldiers whom gave theirs live destroying the lunatics that the bolts symbolized. ---To anyone that thinks this is just fine, I have a couple questions: Would you fly or wear this symbol to a WWII remembrance ceremony? If you did, do you think the Veterans attending would react to it?
Oh, get real people. In muslim countries I'm sure anything nazi is taken as something they can relate to and treat as a symbol of "honor". They, nazis and muslims, both want to kill all Jews.
Nope. 'Der/das/die' is the definite article. 'Fuhrer' means 'leader' or 'guide'. So, because a leader may be masculine or feminine, the neuter definite article (das) may be used alongside the masculine (der). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Führer
It wasn't a Swastika! The Marines are not morons. Please actually read an article on this non-incident and look at a picture instead of arguing.
I have no idea why this "story" was posted. It is a complete non story. Some guys made a mistake out of ignorance. Big deal. Spreading this propaganda by repeating it doesn't do anyone any good.
I don't believe in the holocaust. I do believe in supporting our men in uniform, including their right to exercise the same legal rights as they were purportedly sent to Afghanistan to defend.
Gen Eisenhower saw the death camps himself and forced the German townspeople to come into the camps and look at the dead corps and see what Hitler had done. Some people won't be convinced no matter what you show them though.
Frankly don't care what you think you F#$#$'ing A@#hole! We take 18 year old kids, train them to kill an then people like you want to get upset when they use symbols! Get a life or just die as far as I'm concern.
Hmmm... There's written and oral testimony from the perpetrators, written and oral testimony from the survivors, films and photographs, documents galore, as well as the remains of the victims, and the remains of the facilities themselves. What more proof would you want?
There were also the local German towns people who were forced to view the bodies from the camp they swore they didn't know existed. Actually I think the American troops forced them to bury them. There are pictures of this.
Try these on for size Gen. Eisenhower predicted Holocaust denial long before it started http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2...cted-holocaust-denial-long-before-it-started/ [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87e5y5Gp-ug&feature=related"]Josef Mengele Experiments - Nazi Experiments on Humans - YouTube[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f3SfBvLcnU&feature=related"]Auschwitz Alemão em Teritorio Polones - Documentário sobre a II Guerra Mundial - YouTube[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGlqn9GvOv8&feature=related"]The Holocaust - A Deception of Truth - YouTube[/ame]
I'll wait and see what this symbol looks like for myself. It supposedly "resembles" blah blah blah.... sounds like liberal media, anti-military nonsense so far. Let me know if you can cough up the picture.