OSU, TCU, Alabama are the top 3

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  1. milorafferty

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    I understand, but voting Ragland as the a 1st team all American over half a dozen other LBs is a damn joke. Even in the SEC, Kentrell Brothers had a much better year than Ragland by a large margin. Brothers had 61 more tackles, 2 more INT and 5.5 more TFL.

    I kind of just disregard the Heisman trophy anymore. It doesn't have anything to do with the best player in the country.
     
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    Yea, it's all politics at this point.
     
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    The source gave the reasoning

    "He's the most productive player on arguably the best defense in the country, leading the team in tackles. He not only coordinates everything at middle linebacker, he's the unit's spark plug, delivering a slew of hair-raising hits this season. -- A.S."

    The Alabama mike has to be 1st team because its the best defense in the country. I agree with you his stats aren't that great. He only had 2 games with double digit tackles. In the line up and run right at you SEC the mike should be tackling machine.
     
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    I read a rumor that Washington's court date on the hooker sting arrest is being postponed and Urban might reinstate him for the Fiesta Bowl? Have you read that at all?

     
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    I haven't heard that. I thought the university basically said Washingtons career at Ohio State was over. I'm not sure why a change of date on his court appearance would change that.
     
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    Buckeyes pounded the Irish! :thumbsup:

     
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    I figured they would. Give Meyer that much time to prepare for a team, especially one that doesn't match up well in terms of talent at multiple key positions, and we have the makings for a whoopin. I didn't get to catch the game, but I saw Michigan mauled Florida as well.
     
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    florida is garbage. They benefited from a weak schedule, and a roided out qb that wouldn't have been there had he not put on 40# of muscle over the offseason. It does show they are one or two key positions away from being good, but the only reason they beat teams like Tennessee was because they had someone who cheated to get into that position.

    I love watching UF implode. They are suffering from Tebow-itus at QB. if a qb comes into UF, fans expect him to have the moral caliber of tebow and be tebow good.

    Cam Newton was "tebow good" but lacked in moral charector. So they ran him off foolishly thinking that urban meyer could make anyone into tebow, when the fact was, it was tebow that made Meyer look good.

    Brantley (followed Tebow) was a great raw talent and proved you couldn't force a prostyle qb in a wildcat, tebow style offense, and he failed miserably, and UF hates him forever more because of that.

    Then came Jeff Driskell. A 5* recruit, was going to save the day, and UF fans rejoiced as they watched Brantley leave the final time because their savior was arriving next season. He came in and actually beat FSU, they went 11-1 in the regular season (losing to UGA so UGA was the SEC east's rep against bama)

    Then in true UF fashion, they expected an undefeated season with Driskell the next season and when he didn't live up to the hype..... They began hating him. NM that all his recievers were dropping passes, batting balls up to be intercepted for pick-6's.... and when the offense sputtered against rival Tennessee, early in the season, UF fans demanded change, because they had a new kid, that offered hope.

    Treon Harris comes in the UT, and beats them, then rapes a girl. UF was so hopeful for Harris, they quickly and quietly had the boosters pay the girl off so it wouldn't turn into a Jameis Winston issue.

    Then Treon started sucking, so they brought in PED boy, Will Grier, who somehow, gained 40# over the summer in muscle mass....

    Then Will Grier said he was transferring out, and UF turned on him too. Now, they got the next kid that they will force to play as a true freshman, and the process will repeat.
     
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    Well, it's college football, there are dozens of kids on every team that are using some sort of PED. To say they beat teams like Tennessee because one guy was on PEDs is silly, because I guarantee there are a couple dozen Tennessee players doing the same thing.

    I've got to ask, how's FSU nation doing after that bowl game? I think I was the only guy at work to pick Houston over FSU, not that I thought Houston was that much better but I figured I had to throw a couple of upsets into the mix.
     
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    pretty well considering we were supposed to have Jameis for this last year, but relied on Sean MaGuire instead because Jameis was forced to declare for the draft a year ahead of plan. Either way, we are back on schedule next year in terms of developing skill players at QB.

    unlike UF, who will force a great athletic kid at QB with no time to develop as a redshirt, FSU has a jameis winston type stud (hopefully with a better head on his shoulders though) coming in that won't have to start next year. He can redshirt, just like Jameis, while Sean MaGuire leads the team with an extra year experience under his belt. He did well this year, in a year he wasn't really planned to start anyways.

    Combine that with Dalvin Cooke coming back for one last year (because FSU realizes, he's gone after next year. He'd have been gone this year if he was old enough)

    3 losses is not a bad season for 99% of the nation, especially on a year where not having Jameis as QB was a surprise.

    Houston wasn't as bad as SEC marks want to try and make them. They were one of those good teams out of a non-power 5 conference, like Boise State. I thought we should have won, but we did make a lot of mistakes when the game was on the line. I don't think it affected anything about next season though

    EDIT - but no, every school doesn't use PEDs.... that's just gator fans trying to marganalize their mistakes. Face it, gators cheated and got caught. The only team that that affected were teams like KY and UT, who played the gators close, when the cheater was playing for the gators. that's 2 potential losses the gators stole from teams that could have beaten Treon Harris led gators.
     
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    Without a doubt, there are players on every team in the country in college that use PEDs. There are just those that get busted and those who don't. Hell even in high school, every team I played on had some guys using PEDs, and that was before HGH got big.

    Houston was a very good team this year, without a doubt a top 10 team, and you're right, FSU IMO is going to be very, very good next year, at least that's how it looks on paper. Cook might be a Heisman favorite.
     
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    well, there are legal performance enhancing suppliments, and illegal ones. I don't think UF was the only one to get ped tested. But yet, he's the only one I heard of getting suspended for a year for violation of it.


    If other teams are taking suppliments is what you say, I agree with that. But I don't think every team has kids using the illegal PEDs....

    cook won't win the Heisman... not because he isn't good, but I think the Stanford kid wins it next year.
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean by legal. He took a legal, over the counter supplement, but that supplement contains a drug that's banned by the NCAA. The vast majority of banned substances in the NCAA can be purchased at any GNC or drug store without a prescription. Even cough medicine contains banned substances. Ligandrol, which is what he was busted for, is legal and easily purchased by anyone without a prescription.
     
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    guess he should have ran it by his athletic trainer then so he could check to see if there was a banned substance in it.

    Truth is, Greer put on 40# of muscle in a year, someone got suspicious, reported him, they tested him and bam.... busted.
     
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    If I had to guess I would imagine he knew he was taking a banned substance. The truth is that a good percentage of schools don't test for PEDs, and opt for urine tests with slide cards to test for marijuana, cocaine etc, and even when they do that these kids are given days to weeks notices before the test.

    Just off the top of my head, becaus I follow the Buckeyes so closely, there are several players that have gained a similar amount of weight in one year at OSU. Sam Hubbard came to OSU as a 220 pound safety, and at the beginning of his redshirt freshman year he was a 265 lb DE. He's not unique, every team has a dozen of them.

    Here's a good article about how bad PED testing is in the NCAA ranks

    http://espn.go.com/college-football...roids-loom-major-college-football-report-says
     
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    I think it's simply because someone accused Greer specifically, and he was tested more strenuously for the investigation is what I think happened.
     
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    Yeah, probably the backup QB :)
     
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    that was the first thought... lol. Tre'on Harris.


    but it seems more likely that a power booster of another team could be a culprit. I think Bama boosters stir up more investigations of other teams than anyone

    Cam Newton.... because he was a threat to Bama
    Jameis Winston.... seemed just as soon as FSU was a legitamate threat, some dirt was dug up about a story from a year prior that went nowhere was given to TMZ


    tinfoil hat stuff here, I'm sure. But it does seem someone accussed Greer specifically of something, and was investigated and busted for it.
     
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    If 'Bama boosters dug up dirt on Jameis Winston(which they probably did), it was because he left the state to play elsewhere.
     
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    amazing how Bo Jackson lost eligibility, too. I wonder if he would have lost it had he played at Bama
     
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    Dude, please...don't ask questions to which you already know the answer. :roflol:

    And yea, I'm a 'Bama fan. :cool:
     
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    I love riling up Barner fans with "Bo Jackson isn't even the best 2 sport athlete to ever come out of Bessemer" and when they ask who was better, I say "Jameis Winston"

    They inevitably start trying to call Winston a rapist, and thief, and I remind them that out of the two, Bo was the only person kicked out of the NCAA.

    lol
     
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    Yea, Barner fan gets upset if anything other than total praise for Bo is uttered. LOL

    Bama fan is just as bad though. Alabama lives and dies with college football.
     

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