Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because I don't believe Urban Meyer is a great coach, you somehow schooled me? Take a chill pill, dude. You're not all that, nor is your obvious hero. But if it makes you feel better to talk about yourself and plays you supposedly run coaching whatever level you say you coach, knock yourself out. By the way, where were all those great plays against Mich St? Was it the weather? Was it that his assistant coaches were at fault that game? Let's hear the excuses.
Can you get something straight. I started this thread, expecting good dialogue, and sure some disagreements, but at least intelligent respectful debate. We don't need some ignoramus coming in here, pounding his chest, saying he's this or that, and putting down others' opinions. Just stop acting like a tool. Your tiddlywinks experience, as milo posted, qualifies you for nothing. You're just making yourself look foolish with your false bravado. And by the way, clean up the grammar and spelling in your posts too. Just makes it look like your posts are coming from a 7th grader or something.
There are a few coaches like Meyer who can talk a nun out of their virginity.... and Urban Meyer is a very Charismatic individual. If he could recruit what he has, a trained monkey can "coach" those kids. but he needs the Tebows, the Newtons to be on his team because he can't develop the Brantley's into quality players. He needs them to arrive, already assembled, so to speak. like you said... great recruitter, mediocre coach that will eventually leave whatever program he takes, in shambles, whenever he is exposed for not developing backups. I think he did learn one thing from his tenure at UF that he used last year, and that was have more than one quality backup at qb. UF had Tebow with Cam Newton in the backup spot waiting for his time, and then NOTHING after that. When Cam screwed up and left UF, and Tebow graduated.... Meyer was exposed. At OSU, he had a great #1, a great #2..... but also got a #3 qb that could also go. Who knew that he would end up relying on #3 due to injuries? only a coach that got burned previously for not having a good #3 backup.
I'll reply to this seperately..... I don't think it's the SEC specifically cheating.... I'm just trying to forward think as to what could motivate a conference to rig a championship game..... the amount of money that a conference gets is absolutely motivation enough to cheat. Think about the big x last year. They were all but eliminated from the Playoffs, unless OSU somehow throttled Wisconsin in a championship.... and shockingly, they did.... squeaked in and then ended up winning it all. The conference made a lot of money because of that. After divisional cuts to EVERY team in the conference.... how much did Wisconsin get? Is the payoff from an OSU playoff/championship more than what Wisconsin would have gotten had they prevented OSU from reaching the playoffs? If it was... "laying down" is simply an economic choice by Wisconsin. Same with UF and UNC this year. SEC to UF - "you know, we really need Bama to win the SEC.... hey, btw, whatever happened to that girl that accused Treon Harris of rape? That sorta disappeared, didn't it? Sure would be a shame if the conference looked into that situation more closely, you know... because women's rights and all." ACC to UNC - "you know, we really need Clemson to win the SEC.... hey, congrats on making the ACC championships after that academic scandal thing you just had..... Sure hope everything was brought to light about that and that there isn't a need for yet another looky-see into what happened.... you know, for academic integrity and all" I'm not saying it happened.... I'm just saying... there is definatly incentive to get the "right team" to win the conference championship. big X this year... didn't matter... .the winner was in, loser was out..... but don't think they don't have an ace up their sleeve on all the teams if they need it.
RRAARRRRR!!!! noone agrees with me despite me. I don't understand, I even told them my unverifiable creditials and they still don't believe me.
I dont care if you do or dont. If you didn't know I curse a lot. Dont take it personally. Its a joke for armchair QBs in this thread to call the most imitated coach in football "an average coach". Even Saban is copying his offense. He has had more effect on the way the game is played since Bill Walsh.
He made Josh Harris from an low ranked recruit into an NFL QB. He was the only D1 coach to offer Alex Smith a scholarship and turned the two star recruit into the 1st pick. He won a national championship with Chris Leak. And he won another with Cardale Jones who is not an elite QB.
You want to know what I learned from both last year and this year.....that the Big 12 better add a couple teams, split into 2 divisions, and have a conference championship game. They were left out last year....yes because OSU dismantled Wisconsin, but also because they had no conference championship game. Fast forward to this year. Yes they got in this year (Oklahoma), but I'd bet had Stanford won the PAC 12 with 1 loss instead of 2, they would have been a shoe-in, and then who would have been the odd conference out? Not the SEC or Big 10, and with Clemson going unbeaten in the ACC, that would have again left the Big 12 out in the cold, in part because of no conference championship game.
You have the uncanny ability to top your football ignorance each day here, due to your man crush on Urban Meyer. This post is unfathomable. Bill Walsh was one of the greatest football offensive minds of our generation, an innovator, and widely referred to in glowing terms like "genius". And you're comparing Urban Meyer to Bill Walsh?? You can take your 10 years of Pop Warner or high school football and shove it. You obviously don't know jack (*)(*)(*)(*). Let me guess. You also probably think Air Coryell asked Urban Meyer for advice when Meyer was a teenager?
Why wouldn't I be comparing Meyer to Walsh. Meyer's concepts are actually more imitated than Walsh's ever were. Meyer's offense is actually spread meats west coast employing west coast passing concepts like the triangle stretch, aka snag, with spread option running. Not that you know what the triangle stretch even is.
Funny how such a knowledgeable person is gracing us with their presence here instead of coaching in the NFL or at least a major college program.
Football coaches don't have to teach classes, they just apparently, scour youtube in attempt to emmulate Urban Meyer To be honest... when I coached wrestling... I used to scour the internet in order to learn how to find a moves that I could then break down step by step in order to teach it. Especially the ones I didn't know how to do. Resources are all over the inet. I just had to look for them on my time, not during school hours.
Let me put it to you in terms maybe even you can understand. Schematics alone aren't what make offenses successful. Rather, the ability to drastically alter play-calling tendencies, as well as frequently changing up the focal points of any team's offense based on the matchups they believe they can exploit, are what make for successful offensive teams.....in college and in the NFL. Urban Meyer has never, EVER, shown that he has this skill set nor ability to adapt on the fly, in order to exploit other teams' weaknesses. His offensive M.O. is forcing a square peg in a round hole regardless of the opponent. His success is derived from his ability to recruit a talent level that is superior to 95% of the competition he plays, not because of any offensive genius. Dude, you're hopeless. But keep kissing his ass. You obviously love it.
I wonder if Wingdings is from Detroit... Sorry to everyone else, but BrianBoo and PaulDennis will get the humor of this one.
I never thought Urban could adjust very well whenever something happened. ie - Cam Newton was recruitted to follow Tebow in a offensive scheme that they both did. However, Brantley was a pocket passer. Whenever Cam fell through, Urban didn't tailor the offense to the strengths of their current pocket passer, instead, they tried to force Brantley to learn how to Tebow, and that failure caused Urban's heart murmors to flare up. the worst thing he did was against FSU that year, they had a guy they deemed "tebow light" that was great at the wildcat running, but couldn't throw.... so on 1st and 2nd down, Tebow light would come in and FSU would load 10 in the box and stop him. Then on 3rd and 10+ yards, in would come Brantley and FSU would drop back into a pass defense and eat him alive, picking him off left and right, or at least stopping the play forcing the 3 and out punt.
Our H.S. coach's taught classes but that was quite a few years ago. The coach's at Jacksonville State didn't teach classes of course.
Too funny. Except, the Comanche King from Detroit was a Michigan State guy, so I doubt would be singing the praises of Urban Meyer. But we need to get fizbo and DOcon in this conversation.
His success at Bowling Green was dependent on his ability to recruit talent? His success at Utah was dependent on his ability to recruit talent? Hell he turned around Florida immediately. Meyer doesn't just turn programs around over a period of years like through superior recruiting. He turns them around immediately with the talent that was already there. He is able to do this because he is an excellent coach. Bowling Green 2000: 2-9 First Year Under Meyer 2001: 8-3 Utah 2002: 2–6 First Year Under Meyer 2003 10-2 Florida 2004: 7–5 First Year Under Meyer 2005: 9–3 Ohio State 2011: 6-7 First Year Under Meyer 2012: 12-0 So no its not recruiting. You dont have any facts to back up your argument. You are correct its an opinion and an incorrect one at that. You are entitled to your opinion but its also (*)(*)(*)(*)ing wrong. Wow did you learn that watching NFL matchup. That is actually not true. Average coaches do that. Great coaches run their offense.Their offense already has the necessary constraint plays built in and you cant stop it.
You act like there wasn't talent there at OSU.... they had an interim coach filling in for a coach that quit after he got punished for tattoo-gate. He's better than an interim coach doesn't mean that Jimbo Fisher, or Steve Spurrier, or Nick Saben doesn't lead that exact same OSU to an undefeated season as well.
Talent goes 6-7. I've seen plety of talented teams that suck. Most of Lombardi's great Packers were already there when he got there. I also liked how you grasp one thing. Kind of like how you are focusing on his last year at Florida and the inability to win with Brantley, which ignores what he did with Harris, Smith, Leek, and Jones. Alex smith passed for almost 3,000 yard 32TD and 4INT his senior year. Leek also threw for close to 3000 yards. Meyer knows how to coach pocket passers. The problem was the team wasn't built for a pocket passing game and Brantley may have been a pocket passer but he wasn't a very good one. His career is not one season. There is a pattern of success, a failure with 1 QB does not mean he cant coach QBs.
it just lacked leadership and direction... Noone said Urban was a HORRIBLE coach... but when your coach quits mid season, and an interim coach you know isn't going to coach next year is being a sub teacher.... that season is a wash.
And I don't give a rats behind about your big tiddlywinks conquests. - - - Updated - - - He's not horrible but he's not the premier coach this loser makes him out to be either.
