What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

    41 vote(s)
    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

    16 vote(s)
    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

    5 vote(s)
    5.8%
  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Again are you ready to withdraw this one since my post are based entirely on the science?

     
  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Tell me do you believe some right to an orgasm through heterosexual intercourse trumps the right to life?

    And which one is the higher right of a human being? Which one is actually declared in our founding documents?
     
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    More dancing and dodging

    It is YOUR standard, that if a life is not viable it can be killed.

    So how about someone with stage 4 pancratic cancer whose life is no longer viable and will die within weeks.

    Your standard doesn't seem to stand up to testing.
     
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    HUMAN rights are either agreed as inherent or not, gender is not relevant in this. If a male has the right to their own body then a female does as well unless you choose to dismiss said rights for whatever reason, in which case you are opposed to freedom and should be dismissed as cruel and unworthy of the humanity you were born into. Regardless of religious or political lean you should at least accept that personal freedom to self is tantamount to life...a fetus is alive as well but clearly not the person we all respect as a being.
     
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    One doesn't have to ""take the HIGHLY effective means to prevent a new human life" to be responsible for that life.


    If the "life" is inside one , then one is responsible...NO ONE ELSE IS so they should BUTT OUT of it .








    FoxHastings said:
    It doesn't have to...each can co-exist and both do.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    NO "ology" states when "life" begins.....and :) even if they did , law rules...


    OH YES IT IS !!!! That's what we live by...

    Science does NOT determine when "life" starts....no matter what textbooks say...
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    It doesn't have to...each can co-exist and both do.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Your strange belief that un an unborn fetus and a BORN person are the same thing will always hinder your ability to learn.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    Not my belief, but this is yours

    It is YOUR standard, that if a life is not viable it can be killed.

    So how about someone with stage 4 pancratic cancer whose life is no longer viable and will die within weeks.

    Your standard doesn't seem to stand up to testing.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Tell me do you believe some right to an orgasm through heterosexual intercourse trumps the right to life?



    And which one is the higher right of a human being? Which one is actually declared in our founding documents?

    So the right to an orgasm is on the same level as your right to life, you equate the two?
     
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    Nope. Accuracy and truth matters, dude. Maybe not to a liberal like yourself, but it does to me.

    Yup, I said that (with regard to preventing unwanted pregnancies). It is a very intelligent statement in either case, as abstinence is the only 100% foolproof way of avoiding an unwanted pregnancy.

    Thank you, Sherlock. Any additional words of wisdom?
     
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    I never made such claim.
     
  13. WillReadmore

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    The right to personal body autonomy is a higher right.
     
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    Over the right to life? Can you show me that in our founding documents?
     
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    Personal rights to birth control were ruled constitutional in
    Griswold v. Connecticut.

    The case was considered a personal autonomy case.
     
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    Griswold v. Connecticut did address the right to life.

    Try again, bodily autonomy over the right to your life?
    Can you show me that in our founding documents?
     
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    It addressed bodily autonomy.
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    Sorry my previous post had an typo correction in bold

    Griswold v. Connecticut did NOT address the right to life.

    No it didn't it addressed using medication to make yourself infertile or other means of birth control. And it is not a founding document.

    Try again, bodily autonomy over the right to your life?
    Can you show me that in our founding documents?
     
  19. FoxHastings

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    From Justia:
    Privacy Rights and Personal Autonomy
    The U.S Constitution safeguards the rights of Americans to privacy and personal autonomy. Although the Constitution does not explicitly provide for such rights, the U.S. Supreme Court has interpreted the Constitution protect these rights, specifically in the areas of marriage, procreation, abortion, private consensual homosexual activity, and medical treatment.

    State and federal laws may limit some of these rights to privacy, as long as the restrictions meet tests that the Supreme Court has set forth, each involving a balancing of an individual's right to privacy against the state's compelling interests. Such compelling interests include protecting public morality and the health of its citizens and improving the quality of life.""""
     
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    Still peddling the same fallacious nonsense I see. No one has shown a "Human Being" is created at conception .. and certainly not you .. can't even answer basic questions such as -- when there are 200 zygotes .. how many babies are there :)
     
  21. Bluesguy

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    I have cited the university textbooks over and over and. you have presented nothing in rebuttal except your uninformed scientifically basesless, falalcious nonsense.
     
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    You cited a bunch of stuff you didn't understand .. none of which showed your claim is true .. none of which refuted the "Scientific Perspectives" which claim conception is not the beginning ... and the majority of what you posted did not even support your own claim .. never mind meet any academic standard of proof.

    I have asked you numerous times to provide One (1) citation which proves your claim true .. to which you responded with 10 citations -- None of which proved your claim .. you hoping volumes of stupid stuff somehow would help your claim.

    Give "One" citation which proves your claim true. so far you have failed completely and you have also failed to answer basic questions in relation to your claim .. and refute contrary positions.

    Which is one big fail mate.
     
  23. Bluesguy

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    I cited the teaching textbooks, the science FACTS. The human life begins at creation not at some arbitrary point later in that human life. The same as I learned when I majored in biology and you have presented nothing actual to refute that. Your strained attempts at "perspectives" notwithstanding.
     
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    "Teaching Textbook" LOL what on earth is that .. are not all textbooks used for teaching ?

    You have never cited anything which proves your claim. What you have done is engaged in a whole lot of "Appeal to Authority" fallacy.

    I don't have to provide anything to refute your claim .. another fallacy you often commit .. expecting others to prove your claims for you - and if they don't pretending your claim is true. fallacious nonsense mate.

    There are 5 different prespectivs on when human life begins .. which refutes your claim that "Science" states "Human life begins at creation"

    and it seems you don't know what you are talking about .. "Creation" creation of what .. The Sperm .? I grant that human life exists at this stage .. but being "Human Life" does not mean that entity is a human.

    Where is this citation that supposedly proves your claim .. One citation is all that is needed .. not 10 .. as morons are wont to do.
     
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    ROFL what an uninformed statement. Go learn the difference between diploid and haploid cells and read a book on embryology.

    And you now having to resort to the invective and ad hom's only shows you can argue on the facts or merits since your position has none just self-serving "perspectives".
     
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