This is the moment when conservatives needs to stand up and fight!

A generator is worthless without fuel to power it.

 

This has got to be among the more absurd bits of basically theological drivel I have yet seen.

 

BS. There is no such thing as social justice. It's just a made up excuse to give the government more power to run your life for you, and deny you due credit for what you yourself have done.

 

I distinguish between conservatives and 'conservatives'. The second-mentioned include AM radio talk show hosts and some of those who provide commentary on TV news programs. The former include the intellectuals who take a conservative political position. There are far more of the latter known to the general public than the former.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

That’s funny… I would consider what the FBI, Garland, and Biden are doing to be fascist

 

Exactly, the far RW is not conservative and is running the party and are driven by fear and grievance. The far LW is not running Joe Biden's party and hopefully never does.

 

WHAT??? You are claiming that the democrats crazies are in the background??? What, behind the curtain pulling the puppet's strings?

Your cred goes to hell in a handbasket on that one, and the handbasket was way down the road before that.

If it weren't dangerous, such BS would be amusing- goofy stand-up comedian material.

 

The great irony is that many of us real right-wing Conservatives would prefer that Donald Trump does NOT run for the presidency again! I've been saying this over and over and over... it is high time for new thinking, new 'blood', and, leadership that is intelligent, inclusive, willing to compromise with the opposition, and far less confrontational.

So why does Trump have so much influence, and project such political power among many 'Independents' as well as the 'Right'? The answer may be in the political faction that so vociferously HATES HIS GUTS and toils endlessly to destroy him using any means imaginable -- thus, exposing themselves for what they are! And what is that?

"Progressives" are seen increasingly as a faction that strives to wreck the very foundations that the United States was built on and the Constitution as written and amended. They are seen as enemies to the very people who made it the most prosperous, successful, and justice-oriented country in the history of mankind! Their visible initiatives are creations like 'critical race theory', open borders, reverse-discrimination against anyone who isn't Black, welfare-state dependency, and all the trappings of the hell-on-earth described in Orwell's masterpiece, "1984". They cram this America-hating dogma incessantly down the throats of Middle-Class America, and then are shocked (SHOCKED) when America-loving citizens puke it back up -- and continue to support figures like Donald Trump!

"Progressives" might well consider that the best way to make sure that Donald Trump never regains the presidency is to stop preaching their America-hating catechism, stop trying to immerse us all in their subjective concepts about what 'society' should be, and instead to be far less strident, preachy, and doctrinaire in they ways they treat those who don't subscribe to their political philosophies.

 

Before...

Now...

So, according to you, Liz Cheney is not a conservative because she didn't govern AND because she did govern... At the same time!

NOW I remember why I have you in the list of posters who are not to be taken seriously.

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the acceptance of or mental capacity to accept contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.​

 

Of course you would! To you, ANYTHING that displeases "Beloved Leader" is blasphemy. Especially because if it helps bring "The Holy Martyr" to justice. You have said nothing I wouldn't expect from you.

 

Losing? You mean lost. I'm still conservative in many ways and used to be a Republican. The party is gone. The only hope is for a completely new party.

As a conservative, the single most important challenge is to ensure no one like trump could ever be elected again. This is the only conservative cause that matters right now.

 

Even Cheney voted about 93% of the time in favor of Trump's policies. And she is considered very conservative. So, it seems that pseudo conservatives would throw out the baby with the bathwater, leaving me to wonder just conservative they really are.

 

What will become of disaffected establishment Repubs as the Orange Menace's influence on the party wanes? Will there be a permanent fissure within the party? Can those Repubs in the Dole/Bush camp co-exist with the larger, anti-democratic side animated by Trumpery? Is the emergence of a third party inevitable? Will the dying breed of moderate Repubs be so appalled by the autocratic impulses of The Following that some will find their way to the Dems? The future of the party seems very uncertain.

 

Because the driving force behind the POT isn't really traditional conservative issues, it's the cult of personality surrounding Trump.

 

The republican party is now the party of terrorists. No, the party isn't coming back.

Example: Trump released the names of the FBI agents and sent his mob to kill them and their families. No, the party isn't coming back.

 

I know of no one supporting Trump in the past or now because of his personality. I certainly wouldn't support him for his looks.

 

Very Wrong. Cheney was supposed to represent the views of Wyoming. The majority did not like her stance. They did what our Constitution allows and voted her out of office.

You hate Trump. I don't particularly like him, but I do agree with much of what he did as president. On balance, he did more good for our country than Biden is doing.

 

A third party would be a welcome wakeup call to both parties. It's unlikely I would support it, but both would lose voters. However, in this country, it would HAVE to be done from the top down. By figures like Cheney, Romney and other conservatives... who are ALREADY in government positions, leaving the Republican Party. I don't think a grassroots movement would succeed. Grassroots movements are too easily manipulated. Especially when mostly composed of folk on the right. Not because there is anything wrong with them, but because they have grown used to giving credibility to propagandists like Fox, New York Post and Rasmussen....

It's a tall order, but those are the only two options for conservatives: recover their party, or create a new one. I think the former would be more likely to succeed but... who knows.... They would have to start NOW. And they would have to make very tough decisions. Such as voting out MAGA extremists from positions of power.

 

That made as much sense as the right wingers who say Democrats are Communists.

 

My point exactly. They voted a conservative into Congress. And now, as their party has become less conservative and more fascist, they stayed with their party rather than with their ideology.

That's my point: conservativism keeps losing, and fascism keeps winning. And there is a very small window of time to turn that around, or conservatives will lose their party forever.

 

You still don't get it. In spite of Trump's faults, the US was in better shape under Trump than Biden. We have a disaster as a president and the democrats and Cheney want to keep Trump from running for president. The choice for president is not solely up to Cheney and the democrats. We would like to be able to make that choice ourselves.

 

You actually believe that Trump and those who currently lead the Republican Party (like DeSantis, who punishes private corporations for exercising free speech) are conservatives?

Those who say Democrats are Communists have no idea what "communism" is. Fascism refers to an authoritarian regime that uses their power in government to further perpetuate themselves in positions of government through illegal means, punish free speech, deny human rights and to hide their own crimes.

I have a thread that expands on each one of those. So it's not in any way "like" ignorant people who don't even know or even attempt to define what communism is.

Your desperate attempt to deny the obvious while providing exactly... ZERO arguments to support your claim is duly noted, though.

 

Generators are very expensive to operate. We have a back up propane generator. It takes about two gallons of propane an hour at over two dollars a gallon. That is over $50 a day or $1500 a month.

 

Ok. So all this crap was just to tell us that you LIKE it when a fascist is in power. So this thread is not directed at you. It's directed at conservatives.

BTW, your post does remind one when they said that Spain was in "better shape" with Franco than it was under the Second Spanish Republic or after they transitioned to a democracy, that Chile was in "better shape" under Pinochet, that Germany was in "better shape" with Hitler or that Italy was in "better shape" with Mussolini.... It's very questionable that this "better shape" is the case in the U.S., but there is always a trade off when you accept to live in a fascist regime. And this is what you and your fellow Trump loyalists haven't realized yet.

 

No, it’s because the use of government resources to silence or eradicate political foes is by definition fascism