“It Will Be A Shock”: Ukraine Lost 500,000 Soldiers In War So Far, Nearly 30,000 Per Month: Lutsenko

It was intended to hold the airport so many troops could be landed as reinforcements. Elite troops, spetznaz, actually. In fancy wooden planes. Can you remind the class what happened to those special boys?

 

NATO expands because venal western arms merchants bribe corrupt European politicians to join a "defensive" military alliance that lost its reason to exist thirty years ago.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...roved in the year,Systems (NASAMS) to Ukraine.

"WASHINGTON, Jan 29 (Reuters) - Sales of U.S. military equipment to foreign governments in 2023 rose 16% to a record $238 billion, the U.S. State Department said on Monday, as countries sought to replenish stocks sent to Ukraine and prepare for major conflicts."

 

"On 24 February 2022, a few hours after the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin announced the beginning of a 'special military operation' in Ukraine, Russian troops of the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) made an air assault on Antonov Airport with the objective of capturing it.

"The airport held strategic value as it was located less than 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) outside of the capital Kyiv, which would allow Russian troops to airlift more troops and heavier equipment to directly threaten the city.[6]

"However, the Ukrainian military responded with a counter-attack which encircled the unsupported Russian forces and repelled the initial assault.[17]

"The attack resumed on the next day with another air assault by the VDV combined with a ground assault by armored reinforcements coming from the Belarusian border, breaking through the Ukrainian defenses.

"The airport was then captured by the Russian forces.[17]

"Despite this, the unexpected Ukrainian resistance foiled the plans of a quick capitulation of Kyiv,[8] and the airport was too damaged to be used as a functional airstrip.[18]

"The Antonov An-225 Mriya, the world's largest airplane, was destroyed in its hangar during the battle."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport

 

Those assurances were made to the Soviets thirty years ago:

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-...on-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

"Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner..."

"Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous 'not one inch eastward' assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu)."

 

To recap what you left out: Elite russian troops, your extra special boys and their command cadres, were taken out on the runway.
The airport was destroyed as an airstrip IE it became a large empty building with no strategic value, and thus didn't matter if the orcs had taken what was useless territory to them.

Your extra special boys got "dabbed on" as the children would say.

 

How many times has Russia been invaded by western military forces since 1812?

How many Russian invasions have gone in the opposite direction?

Western capitalists have been plotting the "decolonization" of Russia for decades, and Russians know it.

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/06/23/us-government-decolonize-russia/

"A US government body held a Congressional briefing plotting ways to break up Russia as a country, in the name of supposed 'decolonization.'

"The participants urged the United States to give more support to separatist movements inside Russia and in the diaspora.

"They proposed the independence of numerous republics in the Russian Federation, including Chechnya, Tatarstan, and Dagestan, as well as historic areas that existed centuries ago such as Circassia."

 

Whose children would say that?

 

The hip and cool youth of today

 

No one has to bribe anyone to join NATO. Countries voluntarily join if they want the benefit of mutual defense or perceive outside security threats. Your link simply shows that US sells a lot of weapons to Europeans who want to buy it (and replenish what was given Ukraine).

My (and most of the civilized world's) issue with Russia is its invasion of Ukraine which is causing hundreds of thousands of deaths to both sides with no signs of stopping the tragic bloodshed. Making every neighboring country nervous and distrustful of Russian future intentions. Reminding everyone the important reason that NATO exists and the security it gives, especially to smaller countries like those in the Baltics.

These supposed injustices by the west against Russia that you've listed are not a reason/excuse to destroy Ukraine. It's a different subject entirely. For example: Russia can fend off regime change attempts (considering Putin's absolute hold on power), and it can ignore NATO expansion (who cares if it expands?). The Ukraine invasion is a human tragedy and a total blunder by Russia, I just don't understand how this was supposed to help Russia. It's insanity.

P.S. Regarding assurances of no further NATO expansion. My question was why would the West need to give such an assurance to USSR? USSR doesn't deserve such assurances. USSR doesn't have any say whether independent countries join or don't join any organization.

 

Bribes were instrumental during the 1990s in order to shield "...NATO from potential competitors during an era of dramatic change in Europe."

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40784649

"In particular, the United States and West Germany made skillful use in 1990 of Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev's political weakness and his willingness to prioritize his country's financial woes over security concerns.

"Washington and Bonn decided 'to bribe the Soviets out,' as then Deputy National Security Adviser Robert Gates phrased it, and to move NATO eastward.

"The goal was to establish NATO as the main post-Cold War security institution before alternative structures could arise and potentially diminish U.S. influence.

"Admirers of a muscular U.S. foreign policy and of NATO will view this strategy as sound; critics will note that it alienated Russia and made NATO's later expansion possible."

 

So it seems you see the Russians just as Israeli government sees the Palestinians? Stewing in your hatred, ignorance is bliss eh?

 

Nothing in my post is hateful. Did you even read it? I expressed sadness at the human tragedy Russia is causing its own and neighboring people. Comparing to Isreal/Palestine is a cheap deflection/ separate topic entirely.

It's pointless talking to people here who just change the subject and have no compassion for human life....

 

Every war that I can think of right now, had/has two narratives.
A person will usually be on one or the other narrative.
It is difficult to change narratives.

The Biden/US media narrative is that Russia started the war
and is responsible for everything that has happened.

Most of the world outside the Anglosphere is on the opposite
narrative.

 

**** Zalensky. Little rat faced ****.

 

Meanwhile, in the real world Ukraine is maintaining a 3 to 1 casualty rate (meaning 3 killed/wounded Russians per killed or wounded Ukrainian) while Russia's medical corp is so bad while Ukraine has a modern European medical corp so the KIA is around 5 dead Russians per one dead Ukrainian.



BTW Russians still lack basic equipment such as helmets.

 

BTW Russia continues to commit war crimes on a daily basis.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68338550

 

e.g....one of many NATO Role 2s donated to Ukraine....

RMS Transfers Role 2 Mobile Field Hospital To Ukrainians | Joint Forces News (joint-forces.com)

 

And, you forgot to mention, Zelensky is a world-class leader and stalwart of democracy, just like Joe Biden.

 

So you are claiming everyone (including Russian military bloggers) are wrong and Russia doesn't regularly execute POWs? Is there any lie you won't try to cover for?

 

Your attempt to hijack and deflect to Israel to avoid the topic is inappropriate. Please stick to the subject of the thread. I have reported it. Thank you.

 

The tactic you call out unfortunately is a repeat tactic by "Bill Carson" and as you point out deflects from the actual subject.

 

Don't. If you have numbers state them and their source. Bluffing an answer proves nothing.

 

You know better than most that Russia attacked Ukraine precisely because it was NOT in NATO. Ukraine is a proxy guinea pig Putin us using to test how far NATO will go to defend anyone from Putin.

We both know the invasion was a direct response to Putin losing his puppet in Washington, DC to one of his staunchest foes, Joe Biden who when he ran the Intelligence Committee in the Senate constantly clashed with Russia long before he became President.

The psychological issue for NATIO is such that too much assistance against Putin could turn Putin into a sympathetic figure under attack by NATO.

Putin's psych op of trying to feed his people the 1960's cold war script about the West wanting to destroy Russia has failed.

All he has done is do massive damage to his own armed forces, proven to his own people he is a war criminal and that his cold war does not exist and most importantly that he has unified the West against him including turning classically neutral countries, Finland and Sweden into NATO members.

He has also lost all of his Central Asian satellite puppet nations to China because of the financial bankrupcy the war has caused Russia and if anything he has convinced any remaining former Warsaw Pact nations and even Austria to think whether they should join NATO.

That all said Durandal you know where I stand. I wish someone in Russia would once and for all take out Putin. Ukraine is the sacrifice to play brinksmanship with Putin until someone takes him out.

Ukraine now carries the burden of protecting the West from Putin.

This existential battle of your people is no different than the one my people wage as well and so I will always write in support of your comments.

 

Sweden is a particularly powerful addition to NATO, I'm told by Peter Zeihan. They've got a good military, including a good navy, that is pretty much geared toward beating back the ruZZians. It's encouraging for both NATO and Europe in particular, as is Germany finally taking defense seriously after so many years of pacifism leading to very low spending and a resulting deterioration of capability. Too much trying to placate the USSR and Putin.

 

Who are the "same people". If you want to accuse someone of stating someone, state who they are and what they said. When you engage in the above you show you are deliberately writing in a form that prevents response but is designed to bait.