“It Will Be A Shock”: Ukraine Lost 500,000 Soldiers In War So Far, Nearly 30,000 Per Month: Lutsenko

Two years of Ukrainian blood and for what? Putin has shown but one thing-he is a cold blooded sociopath who runs his nation like Sadaam Hussein. Like Hussein, Hitler, Mussolini, Ghaddafi, mark my words when this is over, he will be paraded in the streets being mutilated by an angry mob.

Sweden for me strategically because of its geographic and therefore naval positioning is crucial in containing Russia. I under-estimated from a naval perspective how crucial Turkey was too. I do not trust Erdogan at all. He he is no friend of Ukraine or NATO.

 

Bringing more countries into NATO is the exact opposite of what we need to be doing to secure peace.

 

So...let's all withdraw from NATO...Putler will be ecstatic....Warsaw,Prague,Budapest will be old "RuZzian" cities once again?

 

Verbal "assurances" mean Jack shyt....provide written and witnessed documents?.....Please and thank you.

 

Wow....hmmm...post reported.

 

The Finns also have a very, very large and well equipped artillery force. Seriously, bigger than countries like Germany or the UK. Their military is small but well trained and extremely well equipped plus they virtually the entire military age male population in the reserves which trains regularly to supplement their military in times of war so they can spoil up quickly. They have all the needed equipment stored and ready to go.

 

They want in of their own free will because they have seen what Russia has done to countries outside of NATO like Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova. It makes the defensive alliance stronger and so better deters the Russian aggressors.

 

Verbal assurances mean nothing to those espousing full spectrum dominance:

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16117-document-06-record-conversation-between (P. 9/11)

(...Baker) I want to ask you a question, and you need not answer it right now. Supposing unification takes place, what would you prefer: a united Germany outside of NATO, absolutely independent and without American troops; or a united Germany keeping its connections with NATO, but with the guarantee that NATO’s jurisprudence or troops will not spread east of the present boundary?

"Gorbachev: We will think everything over. We intend to discuss all these questions in depth at the leadership level. It goes without saying that a broadening of the NATO zone is not acceptable.

"Baker: We agree with that."

 

None of the problems we have now would have existed if NATO had not expanded so much after the fall of the USSR. It was a power grab, and Russia was right to worry. I don't think they should have invaded the Ukraine, but even more so I think the west should have stopped their machinations decades ago.

 

What part of "verbal assurances" mean jack shyt?....do you not understand?

 

I think we're allowed to insult public figures, unless he's posting here, I guess. I've been warned for saying bad things about all conservatives, but that's not quite the same.

 

If verbal assurances mean nothing, then we should not feel obliged to the Budapest Memoradum. We shouldn't feel the need to pour money and weapons into the conflict. Equally, if we want to uphold neutrality for independent countries, we should have actually upheld said neutrality.

Instead, the NATO border did expand and we're now telling the Russians: Deal with it. And they're not taking well to it at all. So unless we want it to escalate, we have to give some concession.

 

And you wonder why Putin does what he does? Verbal assurances should be just as trustworthy as a full treaty. But, we have lost our honor and integrity.

 

BM was a SIGNED Memorandum back in Dec 1994.....signed, witnessed by parties present back then.

NATO expansion was not....it was a "verbal" exchange....BIG difference.

 

That's Russias problem....and it's one that....maybe they should have acted on back in '91 or so.

Verbal assurances should be just as "trustworthy"???

Yes....if you're haggling with someone at a weekend garage sale.....a verbal agreement might fly.


This was at international levels.....where signed/witnessed documents are paramount.

 

Wrong. That's a Russian apologist point of view. None of the problems we have now would exist if Russia did not break their security agreements in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nukes.

 

And yours is a western apologist point of view, which is no better. I don't cheerlead for a side. Russia should not have invaded, but the West should not have backed Russia into a corner. There is plenty of blame to go around for both sides. As is true with EVERY conflict today, both sides are guilty as sin, with the root of the issue boiling down to fat ****ing billionaires, politicians, and similar dickheads on both sides. In literally every conflict on the globe, there are no good guys and badguys, just *******s sacrificing the lives of pawns to the meatgrinder for political or monetary gain. Our leaders are addicted to perpetuating conflict, keeping wars going as long as possible without letting either side win. The arms industry LOVES it. Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Israel... the elites of the world are rolling in the dough.

 

The MIC has become a world cancer, a source of all conflicts. Russia wouldn't be in 'the ukraine' right now but for the MIC, facilitated by the illegal Coup.
Follow the money, it all leads back to the perpetrators. zelensky was even bought off by the west.....canned a peace agreement in March of '22....instead he has murdered more than 1/2 million to line his own pockets.

 

Pretty much. I don't think we would have any wars at all if they didn't make powerful people a massive profit. It is far easier and makes so much more sense to negotiate and talk out solutions. But, that isn't as profitable.

 

Banding together in self defense IS NOT A "POWERGRAB."

Standing by while Russia attempts to put the USSR back together is NOT and option.

Come on, Josh. We held a revolutionary war over the right of representation and self rule.

 

There was absolutely no threat from Russia when NATO started spreading like a cancer. What the hell did anyone think would happen? This was all preventable. Banding together IS a powergrab. How is it not? It is the definition of one.

 

Ukraine is fighting for its right to exist.

There is no possibility that Ukraine could accomplish the defense it has should the people not have been SOLIDLY behind the defense of their homeland, their right to exist, their determination not to be ruled by a foreign dictator.

You may hate their leader, but the possibility of selecting their leader, their freedom and autonomy as a country, is what is being fought for.

 

Yeah, so much freedom. They are all being drafted, bank accounts being frozen if they dont show up to the slaughter. **** that. They'd be better off with Russia taking its slice of land, and life getting back to normal. Its a ****ing stupid thing to die for. All governments are, the USA included. We've all been brainwashed for so long to suck the dicks of governments, when governments as they exist now are nothing but machines to separate energy from their wage slaves. with a complete overhaul, governments could be a positive thing, but right now, they are all vampiric machines lead by megalomaniac *******s, from Biden to Putin to Netanyahu, and all of the politicians that support them. they are all the problem. Freedom everywhere exists DESPITE our governments at the moment.
It will all change soon. All the corruption is coming to light, and power structures everywhere are collapsing, and good riddance to them.

 

The "power grab" was a mutual defense pact of countries that existed and could not themselves defend against Russia, from which they had only recently derived independence.

Russia is NOT defending Ukraine. A key point in Russia's choice of Ukraine is that Ukraine is not part of that pact.

Had they been, Russia would have needed to have a very different assessment of their war of acquisition.

 

They could have made local mutual defense pacts. NATO = USA. That is a big problem when dealing with Russia. How would we react if all of Mexico, Central America, and Canada joined the Warsaw Pact? I'm pretty sure we would lose our **** over that, while they said "Oh, we were just doing it for mutual defense."
Your argument is a guarantee of furthering conflict, not preventing it.