“Speaker Johnson: Border bill is even worse than expected”

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  1. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    We have yet to see their review and critique
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Amnesty laws “caused this mess” — the last 5 administrations ignoring it “caused this mess”. The failure of congress to act “caused this mess”.

    The border union just said this is a good plan that will immediately make an impact. They endorsed trump in both 2016 and 2020.

    Half assed measures are half asses measures. Why not support your team to make small alterations to the bill and send it back? It’s almost like they don’t want this to be addressed, they want it to be a campaign issue which is why your leader said to do nothing.

    Which goes back to my original point — Republicans refusing to do anything is simply something the Democrats can campaign on.

    Y’all (the Republican Party) ****ed yourself with abortion and you are about to **** yourself with this as well moving this from a campaign positive for republicans to a negative.

    And then nothing gets passed. Just like nothing has been passed because no one wants to negotiate.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The proper process is waaaayyyy too slow. An average of 5 years is stupidly absurd. It's probably that way on purpose to create this artificial border crisis.

    https://www.cato.org/publications/p...tas-have-doubled-green-card-backlogs-are-long
     
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    Trump's ordering his lickspittles to kill progress in securing the border may serve his selfish ambition, but not the nation.

     
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    A) Yes, that's the current law and they should abide by the current law until the law changes. The rules for granting asylum should be changed. I believe that's what the current bill that the GOP is killing does some of that.
    B) The bill they passed last year did some of that also but the Dems killed it in the Senate.

    Both sides are still playing footsie and thinking that they can get everything they want and nothing that they don't want. It's disgusting.
     
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    A few more years of bussing migrants to your democrat sanctuary cities and y'all will give us anything we want. Hell yall haven't been dealing with this bussing thing for a year and a half. And you're getting a MINUTE percentage of what ONE of our states and localities is sending you. We have been dealing with illegal immigrants flooding across our border for damn near 50 years now and you folks didn't want to do anything about it. We can suck it up for another 5 or 10 years. Can yall? Cause I don't think you can.

    And good luck trying to sell the "democrats want to protect the border now" to the American populace who has been dealing with your illegal immigrant bs for decades. The only ones who are going to believe you are the lefty clowns who already vote for you.

    My aunt told me something once, "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."

    The lefts horrendously pathetic policies and piss-poor planning on the border with extended asylum rules, refusal to work with police to remove illegals and sanctuary cities for the past half a century have caused this issue. It doesn't become an emergency for me now because you folks are starting to feel the pain.

    Cause it sure as hell wasn't an emergency when we were feeling the pain and screaming for help from yall.

    As that song "All My Friends are Toxic" says:

    "Oh I hear you crying out for help,
    but you never showed for me when I was ringing your cellphone
    Oh you don't know how it feels to be alone baby
    I'll make you know, I'LL MAKE YOU KNOW"
     
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    Yes, it gives Republicans everything they wanted!

    This is terrible…!
     
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    lol no it doesn't. It creates 50,000 more beds for illegals to be housed, it allows almost 5,000 illegals in a DAY without doing a damn thing about them and it provides thousands of new visas for the illegals who are already here.

    No thanks. Y'all can keep that.

    Shut down the border and stop trying to compromise or continue to suffer with illegals being bussed. And I heard other Republican states are starting to prepare for bussing their illegals as well. So yall can take many, many more of them.

    Have fun. We have been doing it for decades. Welcome to the party.
     
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    Oh and btw the House may never even see this bill because the left is revolting against it in the senate.
     
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    thank you for posting an honest reply. They entered illegally. That right there needs to be the end of the sentence. Let's call them what they are; illegal aliens
     
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    You should have thought about that 2 yrs ago when Abbott started moving them elsewhere. It certainly has gotten worse in tx too. Republicans brought this on to themselves and now don't want to fix it.
     
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    This is Joe Biden's gift to America and there is no way blame for it can be shifted.
     
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    lol you're asserting we have so many illegals because Abbott is busing them? Lol Tell that to the other states being flooded with illegals who aren't bussing them.
     
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    Wrong I said more would come.

    https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...camping-in-public-throughout-florida/3225169/

    More will continue to come if Republicans refuse to act, and keep this a political issue. Again I said this would happen 2yrs ago.
     
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    It most certainly exacerbated the problem. A blind man could see that. I'm addition, Abbott has only made it worse in tx.
     
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    But they are here legally until they have a hearing.
     
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    I don’t know who you think you are talking to, but it doesn’t make sense. I live in a very very red state in a purple city. And I am probably more against illegal immigration than you are. The difference is I just wanted it solved while you just want political points.

    I don’t think you understand how bad it will look for Republicans to say a bipartisan bill was introduced that the Border Patrol Union endorsed and Republicans refused to even hear it.

    You might be right, but independents don’t typically like games like that.

    It should if you cared about the nation — but I guess you just told on yourself

    Nice rant
     
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    Let Chip Roy speak for himself...

    http://tinyurl.com/pnakdxt9

    THREAD on the “War, Debt, and Open Borders” BILL: The bill is NOT well-intended. It is also not a border security bill. It is, however, a bill designed by Democrats to boost Biden against Trump by helping Dems blame Republicans for open borders… (1/x)
    …a trap into which some GOP willingly walk in order to fund an insatiable desire for endless wars. The bill BORROWS some $118BB to fund $60BB for Ukraine, in addition to other Foreign Aid (Israel & Taiwan), plus $20BB for alleged “border security…” (2/x)
    …funding which will ensure MORE border traffic, not less. The border “crisis” is a crisis not of resources or lack of authority, but rather the result of abuse of law by the President - the willing disregard of the text & spirit of laws designed to maintain operational… (3/x)
    …control of the border & secure our nation - in favor of using judge-made loopholes & very limited exceptions (asylum & parole) to establish a default of “encounter & release” instead of “encounter & remove”. This is plainly true & requires… (4/x)
    …Congress to act to stop it. #HR2 & its leaner, stronger little brother #HR29, were designed by
    @HouseGOP to close the loopholes & force the executive to follow the law. The Senate “deal” is designed to accept and perpetuate the Democrat scam of mass migration… (5/x)
    …by A) accepting instead of zero (#HR29, #HR2, & the spirit of current law) releases… a new default of between 1400 & over 5000 a day… but importantly, both limiting the POTUS’ requirement to act (270, 225, 180 day limits) & making the power effectively optional… (6/x)
    … & regardless, a rolling average of 4999 encounters (cartels control) can default some 1.8MM a year with no trigger, B) exempting children (UAC’s) & family units from detention requirements increases likely abuse of children as the “ticket” to entry, & makes worse… (7/x)
    …by C) providing lawyers for certain illegal aliens, including kids (a huge magnet), all while D) increasing even more legal immigration to the tune of 250,000 over 5 years & providing immediate work permits to those who get through the process (magnet)… (8/x)
    …all while claiming to fix asylum by adopting a supposedly lower but nebulous standard while funding $ billions to Biden / Mayorkas to staff up asylum officers (not judges) to make instant determinations to beat a statutory 180 day detention clock (fast track asylum)… (9/x)
    … while continuing, effectively, catch and release b/c the legal loopholes (Flores Settlement) are not fixed, & migrants that “cannot” be detained will be released under supervision of the “Alternatives to Detention Program” while asylum claims are adjudicated… (10/x)
    …while continuing the abuse of parole with very limited “reform” (nothing re: Cubans, Haitians, Ven, Nic), in effect, encouraging its use (including through the CBP One App) to allow unabated flow through ports of entry still in the name of a “case by case” basis… (11/x)
    …all this while funding the NGO’s facilitating the travel & aided by the anti-America UN (itself still fully funded by you, btw!) an additional $1.4BB to undermine US sovereignty… & adds 10,000 visas under the Afghan Adjustment Act… (12/x)
     
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    You've got to be kidding.

    The only reason Democrats are even pretending to care about the border is because it's possibly their worst issue with voters.

    This is democrat pandering to get votes during an election year. I can't fathom how this isn't painfully obvious to everybody.
     
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    Stop with the logical fallacies. This isn't how it works.

    Voting against or opposing a bill does NOT equate to being opposed to everything in the bill. It simply means the bill as it stands isn't good enough.

    Don't expect to be taken seriously when you make posts like this.
     
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    So call their bluff and pass it.
     
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    That had nothing to do with my what I said.

    And that's also no reason to pass a terrible bill if in fact it is terrible.
     

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