3 Muslim men murdered in Birmingham

The police are now treating this as murder and are reporting now that there is a huge amount of tension now in the city between Blacks and Asians and likely to escalate tonight!

Apparently some black youth were in a car and they swerved to the kerb to hit all 3 and killed them. The young Muslims were outside protecting their houses from rebels.

One man rushed to help and started to try to revive one young man to find he was his own son

The reporter said the situation is very volatile now and crowds are gathering.

Source TV channel news

 

Would you still be upset if these three men weren't Muslims?

 

I saw a London woman in her childrens clothing shop standing in the aftermath and could have cried for her earlier as she was being interviewed.
I have no idea what religion she was but her pain was possibly not the same as the parents of the 3 run down and killed by the car. Especially the father of the boy who was trying to save his life discovering it was his son.

My point was it seems from the report that he was saying that there was going to be an explosion between Blacks and Asian Muslims in the area he was standing in in that report.


It appears from what he was saying there is tension between Blacks and Asian Muslims.
We will see.

 

The issue it brings up is the general impression given from many anti-Muslim loudmouths is that the rioters are Muslims and the rest of London are victims of these "foreign predators"!

That is not the reality.

 

Maybe not this time, but its coming.

 

How is it that rioters in England are termed ' mindless criminal gangs ' by the UK government in England which calls them ' fighters for social justice ' in Iran and Syria ?

 

Are the situations synonymous?

 

That depends upon whose propaganda you are reading. It seems to me that if the UK government doesn't have the first inkling of a clue about social conditions in the UK then it can't possibly have any useful understanding of conditions in Iran or Syria.

 

I'm not so sure that the conditions in the U.K. (if that's what the riots are about) really warrant the reaction of those involved with the rioting.

There doesn't seem to be any true unifying purpose amongst those who are rioting. It seems more like general anarchy, and people being opportunistic.

 

Yes, the police investigation is now a murder one and they already have a man in custody and a car impounded. There's every chance they will be successful in putting the perpetrator or perpetrators behind bars and all without the need for you to write to Cameron telling him to contact his judiciary and get them to investigate; start a Facebook campaign; lobby your military junta; go on hunger strike; make some banners and take over a square not going home until success is achieved or any other suggestions you have made in the fight for justice for victims of viscious attacks.

This is how the police investigate irrespective of the victims and without the need for them or their families to file charges etc.



Yes a volatile situation all because of a lack of faith in the police but imagine what it would be like if it was up to the families to make a case!

Btw. the man didn't discover it was his son he was attendning that was just unecessary screwing up the drama. He rushed to the scene and as he was seeing one victim a friend also helping told him one of the other victims was his son.

 

Yes, that's the secondary wave of reaction to the first wave. It's been a learning process for protestors and police alike. The next round of social unrest will have direction and strategy. In order to avert it the UK government, like poor governments elsewhere, must make dramatic changes to its capitalist agenda. Capitalism, I take pleasure in saying, is just about shagged. Time for change.

 

I don't know, I just don't see conditions in the U.K. being that bad. Certainly not worthy of organized revolution. In fact, the U.K. citizens who are rioting should take pause and consider how much worse life could be, especially in the case of immigrants who came from far, far worse situations. I don't really understand how capitalism could be the culprit either. In a free society, everyone is allowed to participate in capitalism. True, some are born more privileged and thereby have a better shot at life, but that doesn't explain how some go from rags to riches... from all walks of life.

 

I'm not one of the "blame non-white" brigade, but a friend of mine from Birmingham told me several years ago that the Asians and Blacks were always fighting each other in Birmingham.

 

And you'd have some kind of deep insight into this....? Or just a compelling sense of xenophobia.

 

Absolutely. The sentiment (deep rooted as it may be) is similar in both cases. It's all too easy to shout "they're louts", and more difficult to attempt to understand the underlying issues driving this.

I'm not defending the actions of these people, I'm trying to understand "why?". The UK is a class society and the people born into the bottom of it (with little chance of escape, even with an education) will remain there, generation after generation. The rich/poor gap was at its lowest in the 70's, since then it has ever widened. I was one of the lucky few who managed and have some empathy for those who cannot.

 

Well said. And how exactly can Cameron or his side kick / lapdog Clegg, who were born into money and private education ever have any understanding of this. They inherently can only feel sympathy, they can never feel empathy - why is one of the most important human emotions, one why modern society has swept aside.

 

I get the feeling that there is no unified reason, just a unified set of terrible social circumstances.

 

This happened in some lesser Euro-nation, albeit the best of them by far, I fail to see how commenting on it would even begin to suggest any level of fear I might have of foreigners. There is a huge difference between not liking foreigners and fearing them. I don't fear them, I just don't like them, so you can keep your xenophobia nonsense out of this.

Just about every nation in Euro-trash land has a Muslim problem, because too many Euro-trash are a bunch of liberal morons who are so driven by some emotional need to be politically correct and the guilt they feel for the countless atrocities they committed upon others in their ruthless colonization of the world.

 

The USA and the UK are the lowest in the Western world for social mobility, so while "some" people can indeed go from rags to riches, it is statistically extremely unlikely. The opposite is also true.

Life for many (not all) of these people is pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ty. They live in a society where they are being bombarded every single day with adverts for stuff they can never buy, and live along side people who by the ramdomness of life were born to afford it.

We are not all born equal, this is a myth born in an age of idealism and now supported by the worlds rich.

Sometimes I feel that revolution is the only way to resolve this, but I hate big step changes; it's far more intelligent to modify the rules in small doses on an ongoing basis. The Swedes are past masters of this.

 

Newsflash - this is not a "muslim" riot. Point to one placard with a muslim logo - in fact, point to one placard. You can't.

And to be honest, I think you are scared, I think you live in a culture of fear, you're bathed in it and it's eating you up every single day.

 

Which is why I said its coming soon to a neighborhood near you, not that its already here, try and keep up.

I'm not scared of the inferior and broken concepts of Europe, there is no need to be, I just want to keep that trash out of my country.

 

Did Lara Logan die then after being gang raped by a 100 rioters ?
I'm not hearing a thing from her side? from her lawyers.

Any links on her family following it up?

 

Yes I think that was the point the reporter was making.
Some long standing tension between the two.

Why is that?

Aren't Asians quite well known for their kids to be educated and family orientated in UK?
Do they also copy that gangster rapper type culture from the US that the blacks seem to do then?

 

That it's statistically unlikely does not necessarily point to a problem with the govt. or capitalism.

That they can't afford luxury items is no justification for rioting, looting, destroying, and terrorizing. Maybe they should be less materialistic for the time being and focus on the path that will afford them better things.

I agree, not all are equal. Socioeconomic Equality shouldn't be forced, it should be earned.

There is no need for revolution in the U.K. There is no justification to these U.K. riots, it's just anarchy and thuggery.

 

So could that black community worker be right then that as he said they have no father figures, no discipline at home, no family structure?

If it is how is that going to be solved?

How does Cameron fix this problem?

I hear prisons are full and every cell in London is full.

This is a much bigger problem then obviously.