A honest question I really want an answer from Repubs

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    The question is this

    When will you separate the Second Amendment from safety? Gun ownership from gun protection? Let me use a scenario to back my question. Republican or Democratic, I would hope this never happens to your son or daughter.,

    They get on the bus, go to school, it’s a nice day out so the PE Coach takes them out for archery or baseball. A student, much like Nick Cage, smuggles in a rifle, and curiously excuses himself to the restroom. At his locker, he equips his rifle with bullets and attached a bump stock, while carrying extra ammo in his backpack. He makes himself a small bunker in the sparse library atop where your daughter hit a home run. He opens a window for fresh air. Your daughter is shot, dying immediately upon impact. You receive a call from the school or police at work of the incident. You kissed you daughter goodbye, expecting to see her home for dinner. The gunman is shot by police, but the damage is done.

    So, what would you think about guns following this sudden loss? The next time you see your daughter is at her funeral in her coffin. Are you so quick to turn to the Second Amendment as you did, or would you be willing to compromise a little to ensure Parkland, which will go down in history as infamous as Columbin, never happens again.

    As Obama once said, we have become numb to these shootings.
     
  2. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Argument from emotion. Try some facts:
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    BOOM! Mic drop....
     
  3. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The solution is to protect and defend the children while in the government's custody in school with trained, armed and sworn law enforcement offices (police), while assuring other security measures such as fences and limited access.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Wrong.
     
  6. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then it should be easy for you to prove it.
     
  7. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Ok...
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  8. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you admitted that you can't back up your "fact" and that you've made it all up.
     
  9. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Where did I make anything up?
     
  10. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1. Switzerland doesn't require citizens to own guns.
    2. Switzerland doesn't have the lowest homocide rate in the entire world.

    You made that up.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    No, I did not make that up.
     
  12. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Dude school safety and gun rights are not competing interests. Columbine would have been far worse without guns and very nearly was anyway. Those you men originally planned on setting off a propane bomb in the cafeteria before they went on their shooting spree with out guns one can safely say that is exactly what they would have done. Death toll likely in the hundreds with many more badly injured.

    In answer to your question I wouldn't even be thinking about guns. I would be wondering who the hell let this murderous punk fall through the cracks again?

    By the way who the hell is Nick Cage?
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    The schools in the Parkland district in Florida asked for funds to recruit more security guards a few months before the recent event. Their request was rejected
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Murder is already against the law. What good will a new law do if criminals dont obey the ones we already have.
     
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    Other than the oklahoma bomb attack, bombs are unreliable which is why guns are the choice of mass murderers
     
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    The Second Amendment is here to stay. Repealing it faces insurmountable obstacles and for a good reason, the Second Amendment is in place to protect all of the blessings provided by the Constitution. We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world because every citizen participates in how we are governed. We are governed not ruled but there are those who seem to think that they know better how to manage our lives and should by any means available to them. Those means include disarming the population. Obama had no use for the Constitution and was very vocal about that and often ignored it. He disparaged gun owners by alluding to us as bumpkins and in the same breath attacked Christianity. He had no use for our America and had his own delusional visions of how things should be. There is absolutely no doubt that given the opportunity Obama would have stripped all of our liberties and we would have declined into an impoverished socialist state. Of course he was up against the Constitution the most powerful and empowering document ever written but given the state of affairs in Washington (the swamp) he may have succeeded via Hillary Clinton. I don't think any liberal knows nor would admit how close we came to the abyss. We must be vigilant in protecting our charter and the Second Amendment is the instrument of protection we must most preserve, without the Constitution America would cease to exist in the hands of the likes of Obama et al. I'm in favor of stronger laws regarding mental stability in regards to gun ownership but they need to be laser focused on just that and not provide room to add further unrelated restrictions.
     
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    1.Switzerland allows it's military to take their guns home with them but they have to hand them back after their service ends.
    Requiring their citizens to own guns is simply not true.
    2. Lichenstein, Andorra, Ireland,Norway, the Netherlands, French Polynesia, Austria, Spain, San Marino, United Arab Emirates, Palestine,Bahrain, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, Japan, Macao, Hong Kong and Madagascar all have lower homicide rates than Switzerland.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Try not to believe memes, they are not an accurate source on topics such as gun control.
     
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    Suggestion for the OP -- change the word gun to knife and ask me that question.
     
  20. Montegriffo

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    Strictly speaking, unless he originated the meme, he did not make it up.He is merely attempting to circulate fake news.
    Let's give him an opportunity to admit his mistake and own up to how easily duped he was.
     
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    Jesus! Ask to be let out to see what civilized countries do!
     
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    Tell that to terrorists.
     
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    It took me 20 seconds to Google "Honduras homicide rate" which produced the Politifact article exposing his post as one of those viral e-mails that are nothing more than a steaming pile. It's exactly the kind of thing right wingers, and Russians, depend on to spread disinformation. As citizens of this democracy it is our obligation not to accept these lies at face value just because they fit with the false narrative pushed by liars like the NRA. So you'll excuse me for not looking as kindly as you do on someone when they spread this garbage on the internet.
     
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    Why do you think so many terrorist attacks get stopped before they can carry them out? Homemade bombs tend to explode unpredictably and kill the person building them or terrorists try to acquire professional military explosives and most of the black market dealers are really ATF informants.
     
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    Appeals to emotion are not a rational foundation to a solution to the mental health issues and culture that exists today.

    An environment that creates people like the fictional character in your story, who see mass murder as a solution to their sickness, is the real issue, and questions surrounding that fact are the ones that should be asked and discussed.
     
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