A honest question I really want an answer from Repubs

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  1. 6Gunner

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    Pure revisionist history with no basis in fact.

    Militia units held the line until the Colonial Army could be organized. The militia harassed and harried the British, and in the first part of the war did a better job of taking the fight to the British than the army.

    Oh, and in the War of 1812 several battles were won almost exclusively by militia units; including the defense of Baltimore and the Battle of New Orleans.

    History is replete with examples of a determined populace fighting off tyranny, and your claims are fanciful at best.
     
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    Geeze. I'm a Son of the American Revolution. My ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War. They were members of local militias. My ancestors were burned out of their farm for their membership in the local militia they served from beginning to end.

    It's rather revealing to witness how an ideological agenda can require someone to so completely rewrite history and piss on the graves of those who sacrificed everything to drive out the British, and establish the United States of America.

    Wow. Some people should keep a few things to themselves, rather than expose them in a public forum.
     
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  3. 6Gunner

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    Your knowledge of history is a joke.
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    One of the strictest gun laws in America, hows that? Lib talking heads denying theres a problem doesnt change the fact that Democratically controlled Chicago is no model for stricter gun laws. All youve got are tiny foreign countries to try and prove your point. Aint working.
     
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    Name one tyrannical government in history that didn't start off by disarming the populace.
     
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  6. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Typo in the op. It’s Nick Cruz, not Nick Cage.
     
  7. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I will ask the same question that I always ask. How is preventing me from owning my AK-47s going to stop a criminal or mentally ill person from obtaining an AK-47 in a nation with approximately 100-150 million AR/AK style unregistered weapons in it?

    In a nation with more firearms than human beings, over half of which are unregistered, and a virtual unlimited supply of undocumented ammunition, I would much rather have a firearm in my possession than support a firearm ban that the very large criminal US population will ignore thus leaving me defenseless.

    Scenarios such as this are being used to play on emotion. Emotion is a terrible and dangerous way to create legislature. If you remove emotion from the equation and look at this from a pure logical standpoint it makes a whole lot less sense.

    300 million + firearms in the US. 150-200 unregistered firearms (nobody knows who has what)

    Why on Earth would I NOT want a firearm?

    So to directly answer the question. If the above scenario was real then I would be upset that this shooter was able to do the damage he did and kill my daughter because the government told me that I CAN'T have a firearm to protect my family thus leaving me and my daughter completely defenseless at the baseball field. The same LAW also prevents the shooter from having an AR but the shooter doesn't really care about the law because he/she is about to commit mass murder....

    Never in the history of humanity has a murderer stopped and said "Oh the law says I can't do this? Gosh I didn't know that, disregard I'll go home now, just give me a minute to pack up my AR-15 and ammo."

    Oh, and during the shooting, a terrified parent immediately ducked and called 911. The police, since they are unable to actually teleport, arrive about 10 mins later after everyone is dead.

    But maybe this was an archery range instead. So when the shooter began to open fire some kids started aiming their bows in his direction and firing off a few arrows. That suppression fire would certainly stop a shooter bent on maximum destruction with a semi automatic rifle.....

    See the problem here? Laws work if people follow them. You can dislike guns all you want but your dislike for firearms has absolutely zero effect on whether or not a criminal chooses to use a firearm. And seeing how I alone have an undisclosed amount of completely legal unregistered firearms in my possession (along with millions of other Americans), it's going to be hard to keep any type of firearms out of the hands of criminals for the simple reason that the government has literally no idea whatsoever who even HAS the majority of firearms in the US.....

    Government: "AR style firearms are now banned, everybody turn in your AR style weapons to the local authorities by Friday. We have no idea which of you have AR style weapons so we trust the integrity of our citizens to do what we ask as your government"
    Citizens: "Sure no problem"
    Government: "Alright guys we know good and well there are more than 100 AR rifles out there....Come on guys please this is serious"
    Citizens: "That's all we have fellas..."

    Honest discussion here I'm not trying to be funny. What exactly are you going to do about that^^^

    Pandora's Box opened the day the federal government allowed unregistered firearms in the hands of the populace. We have more undocumented guns in this country than most nations actual military's. And there is nothing you can do about it for that very reason. So saying that, you can't close the flood gates now, its way too late. The better option is to allow citizens to arm and defend themselves.

    Thats the cold hard truth that emotional folks do not want to hear. There is nothing you can do about it. There are simply too many unregistered rifles here, you literally, and I mean literally, CANNOT get them back. Period.
     
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  8. Balto

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    No one is asking you to hand over the Second Amendment. Again, when will you separate the Second Amendment from safety? Using it as a shield goes only so far. Nowhere in my OP did I imply we repeal the Second Amendment.
     
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    Nick Cage is angry.

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    And once again, we have a stalemate.

    Gun availability isn't going to change. Mental health programs aren't going to be expanded.

    Tune in for the next mass shooting.

    So far, Trump gets to be number one on the Presidential scale for most dead school children in his first year of office.
    Congratulations for making the U.S. so safe that we wouldn't believe how safe we are ...
     
  11. Balto

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    It’s alarming that firearms are distributed so easily, it makes up more than the citizens of this country. The federal government should not have allowed these guns to go unregistered. You have to have registration for your car, right? Then why shouldn’t the same apply to guns. That number would reduce significantly if the government took back guns that were unregistered and allowed its citizens to have guns that were registered. That’s not speaking out of emotion, it’s speaking out of common sense.
     
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    Arming yourself is the sole method you can take to even partially guarantee your safety.

    My fiance is a teacher. She wants to be armed so she can defend herself and her charges. Why won't you let her protect them? Why must she be defenseless?
     
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    I can't say I would be thinking clearly in the state of grief. I don't I think we should make policy decisions based on passion.
     
  14. 6Gunner

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    This fictional scenario is, in reality, not a valid one. I will, nevertheless, endeavor to explain why I disagree with it.

    in 2004, scores of children were slaughtered at their school in Beslan, Russia. While the flames of that tragedy were still burning experts in security and public safety descended upon the site to investigate and study the incident to figure out what had been done wrong and what might be done to prevent such in the future. A veritable laundry list of recommendations was released. To date NONE OF THEM have been implemented in American schools. Why? They were blocked by "educators" who thought they were too expensive, or they resented being required to undergo proper security response training, or they felt kids shouldn't have to be educated under the watchful eye of properly equipped security personnel. Then, these same people shouted for gun control, because they rejected having to take responsibility for themselves or the children they were tasked with caring for. Gun control is an empty panacea, created by people who want to abdicate their own responsibilities.

    As for the Constitutional issues, the plain truth is that we cannot ignore the Constitution merely because we find it inconvenient. The 2nd Amendment exists for a reason. If our society decides it is time to give upon our Constitutional rights, then we can pursue an amendment to make infringements upon those rights legitimate. If we ignore the Constitution when we find it convenient, we render the rest of it moot.

    The Constitutional issues aside, there is no avoiding the hard fact that the genie is out of the bottle when it comes to guns. There are literally MILLIONS of guns out there. When you ban something, as we tried to ban alcohol, or drugs, you create a black market in it. Guns are stolen every day from police and military sources. Drug lanes can also carry select-fire military grade weapons from Mexico or South America. Gun control affects only the law-abiding; not the criminal. Gun control is nothing but a business opportunity for them.

    Children dying is a horrific tragedy. It never should have happened. The right solution has been in front of us all along, but it has been opposed and blocked in favor of calls for a spurious policy that makes some people feel like "something is being done" but which in reality fundamentally endangers us and our political liberty.
     
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    What if a student hijacks the damn bus and runs children over?

    What if....
     
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    You can't ignore the 2nd Amendment because you find it inconvenient, and it's a hollow comparison.

    "Safety" is a myth. We can protect our kids; we can't make them safe. We need proper security measures; not gun control.
     
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    Once again, I would like to hear a detailed plan of HOW the government is supposed to do that if they have no idea who has these firearms or where they even are.
     
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    Yes, that is fake news. I called on this poster TWICE to admit he was wrong but he refused. He posted this meme in another thread.
     
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    Let me remind you what I was responding to.

    Me..........Are you saying you think gun possession is illegal in Chicago?

    You...........Yes, thats my understanding. Wanna spend another 20 seconds proving me right?

    I'm disappointed, but not surprised, to see you lack the integrity to admit you are wrong.
     
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    the second amendment was never tied to safety.

    a shield against what?
     
  21. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fail? Your argument prove nothing in as far as Switzerland requires its citizens to own a gun. You can't prove that Switzerland have the least homocide rate. That meme is a fail, and so is your argument.
     
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    Like most rational, reasoned people, my political positions are not affected by my emotions.
     
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    Still wrong.
     
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    All Crime is not federal, nor should it be
    Some are some aren't. A lot of stuff is just a function of taking proper precautions in the mixing process. By the way black powder is fairly widely available.
     
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    I guess the President has a long way to go to reach the most dead school children while in office that Obama reached...
     
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