A woman who had a miscarriage is now charged with abusing a corpse as stricter abortion laws play ou

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    Ok. I'll play. So, legally speaking, you are opposed to this law:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...ay/CTUVEFPEONFITLXFOVGD2BX4RE/?outputType=amp


    People that don't want a woman pregnant can just kick her in the stomach and be charged with simple battery?

    Yes?
     
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    Not opposed to the law, just want it appropriately applied. Again, it was a miscarriage. The fetus was not viable at birth and probably not viable before birth. The fetus therefore had no birth certificate, no death certificate, and thus the law does not apply in this specific case. If the fetus took a breath and then died, and was dumped in the toilet, the law will apply. Understand now?

    The assault case you are referring to is not the same as the woman who was charged. The assault caused such tramatic injury to the pregnant woman, and she was far enough along in which in a premature baby birth would have had an excellent chance of survival. The law in question you are referring to deals with someone who is intentionally or unintentionally caused harm to the fetus and to the pregnant woman which the suspect would be charged for both, including homicide if necessary.

    What you are doing is calling both the color blue and yellow and yet you think all colors are black, figuratively speaking.
     
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    But wait.

    You are desiring to apply two different standards.

    Earlier you said "The child was never born. That is what a miscarriage is. There is no birth certificate, by law, and there is no death certificate by law, and there is no SSN or other TIN by law when there is a miscarriage. Thus, the person never existed. If a person does exist, then there is a record of that birth and death. There was none here, and it is why the Grand Jury sent a no bill for the indictment, which means the charges should be dropped by now." when we were talking about a woman flushing her mis-carried baby down the toilet with no indication of "viability"

    Then, in regard to the case of assault case resulting in the death of a carried baby, you say "The assault caused such tramatic injury to the pregnant woman, and she was far enough along in which in a premature baby birth would have had an excellent chance of survival."

    What I am doing is showcasing how you are rationalizing different perspectives and applying different standards based on your political objectives.
     
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    I don't want to open a new thread for this minor story, but WTF has happened to Ohio??

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    Chris Avell, pastor of Dad's Place in Bryan, Ohio, was arraigned in court last Thursday because he kept his church open 24/7 to provide warmth to the unhoused.

    Ohio law prohibits residential use in first-floor buildings in a business district. Since the church is zoned as a Central Business, the building is restricted from allowing people to eat or sleep on the property.

    “This is how I worship my God, and I just want to be able to worship my God,” Avell said.

    According to the city, Avell was sent a letter on Nov. 3 informing him the homeless were prohibited from sleeping at the church overnight. Avell ignored the letter, and during a New Year’s Eve service, police arrived and issued violations.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/folks-freeze-death-midwest-ohio-101252249.html

    I guess I generally understand the purpose of a law like that, but there have to be exceptions in the case of extreme weather. I don't call people coming inside during the cold "residential use".

    C'mon Ohio, don't be Texas North, will ya?
     

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