Abortion: The Facts

A fetus is not a condition. Open up your dictionary if you don't know the difference between the two.

 

The gymnastics employed by you pro choicers in trying to place blame for the pregnancy on the fetus is disgusting, silly, but very telling indeed.

 

Ooooohhhhh, what is it telling you......???


Your inability to understand science and/or biology is telling me something too......that you either can't or won't accept facts....

 

No, a fetus is involved in the condition of pregnancy.

Again, it's like saying "The bullet doesn't harm you....it's the gun firing at you that harms you."

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If there's no fetus....is a woman pregnant?

If a woman is pregnant....is there a fetus?

 

Your stats are cooked...I already told you and provided citations.

Yep, that's what abortion does, it kills a developing human being. I think it speaks volumes about how women have been brainwashed. If they kill the fetus because it is inconvenient, they call it a bunch of cells, if they actually want it they call it a baby.

I never said pregnancy side effects were in anybody's head. Why don't you gather some pregnant females together who plan to give birth and tell them that the developing human being inside them is neither human nor their baby.

 

Because I don't lie and that's a lie....and, here's a shocker for you , women KNOW what's inside them. They KNOW STUFF!!!! WOMEN!

You claimed pregnancy doesn't harm women ..so what those women went through must've been all in their heads......what's the matter, afraid to stand in front of a bunch of women and claim pregnancy and birth had no effect on them ???? What are you afraid of ?

Why can't you tell them if they get pregnant again they do not have to see a doctor because doctors are making up fake problems with their pregnancies in a Giant Scary Conspiracy to get them to have abortions.......

 

Yeah if they want it then they call it a BABY if they want to abort it's nothing but a bunch of cells. That's what they have been taught by people like you.

Pregnancy is natural therefore, using the word 'harmful' (with regard to pregnancy) is misleading and fraudulent. From the moment we are born we are aging and with it comes thousands of side effects so......I guess you would say life itself is harmful...huh? Perhaps your mother should have aborted...After all, according to YOU she must have suffered tremendously.

I dunno 'why can't you tell them'.....Go for it if you want but, you're on your own. Say....why don't you tell them to abort? After all, it's much 'safer' than giving birth according to you.

 

It is humorous to you as it is plain you don't have a clue on how a pregnancy occurs, you seem to think that sticking a penis into a vagina is enough to cause pregnancy add to this that you are ignorant on the fact that ALL pregnancies cause injury to the woman, and any injury caused without consent allows a person to defend themselves up to and including deadly force.

what is truly humorous is you inability to dispute the points made.

 

Really, every single thing I have presented is backed up by biological and legal proof .. what do you have apart from your opinion?

 

As this thread approaches the "Page 77 lock-out" point.....let us again note that...

the Original Poster....after about Day 2, never returned to his own thread.

 

Ya, but don't get your hopes up that he actually learned anything....none of the other Anti-Choicers did.... They create their own "facts" and stick with them despite all evidence of their errors.

 

True...but keep in mind, that in REALITY....their views are meaningless.

It's fun to debate with them (especially point out their hypocrisies and contradictions and dishonesties).....but the "dirty little secret" is...

they're NEVER going to get abortion outlawed, not even see Roe overturned. If they can't get Roe thrown down with a 5-4 "pro-life Republican" US Supreme Court....when will they ever???

In fact, a few even admit it. It's just the theocrats and misogynists who still hold onto their "dream" of an Abortion Prohibition "soon"....despite 40+ years of failures.

"These are nihilists, Donnie. We have nothing to fear from them."---Walter Sobchak "The Big Lebowski"

 

correct, that is why it is informal usage and not correct to use it in a debate, or next you will be telling me that my car - which I call my baby - is also a human(noun) being, furthermore I defy you to find any medically trained person who calls a fetus "nothing but a bunch of cells." .. that statement is nothing more than a bumper sticker from the pro-life manual 101.

Again you have a distinct lacking in understanding of what words mean, natural means "with no influence from mankind" to state that pregnancy is 'natural' shows a real lack of knowledge of English and biology.
There is nothing misleading or fraudulent stating that ALL pregnancies are harmful, that is a medical FACT and also a LEGAL fact in some cases. Just because you choose to follow an ostrich fallacy ie stick your head in the ground and ignore what does not suit your opinion, does not change the reality, and then of course you move onto the standard pro-life ad hom talking points, but yet again you fail to understand that had our mothers decided to abort, it would not have made the slightest difference to us as we would not have had any knowledge of it. It is nothing more than trying to glean a false outrage response and is meaningless, dishonest and boring.

Like all pro-lifers you have to deny what is fact and replace it with appeals to emotion otherwise your position looks (and is) ridiculous.

 

Pregnancy is a condition caused by a fertilized ovum implanting into the uterine wall, nothing else will cause that condition to happen.

 

Again, it's fascinating (if disengenuous) word-play that Ozymandis is attempting...

"Fetuses have nothing to do with pregnancies!"

 

Problem is that it isn't even an very good attempt.

 

Have we met many "pro-lifers" YET who could remain logical, factual, or even non-contradictory?

Ozymandis wants us to believe that the existance of a fetus in a woman's uterus has no relationship to her condition of pregnancy.

Young Sam contradicts himself every 2 weeks.....today it was "Women who have abortions aren't bad people"....which contradicts him a few days ago saying "Women who have abortions only do it because they are selfish jerks."


And yet I am sure Ozy sees no "illogic" to his statements....nor does Sam see any "self-contradictions" to his. When you are driven by pure emotion...and critical thinking has never really played a part in your beliefs....this is what you get.

 

No....I was not discussing Nazi's killing PEOPLE.

The death of a Fertilized Egg Cell is NOT the death of a Human Being.

I don't need the U.S. Supreme Court Ruling to easily PROVE it is not.

As I have suggested....brush up on your Human Biology.

AboveAlpha

 

So, I'm wrong, aand your argument is just to tell me to go learn some biology? That's not an argument at all. Let me try that on you:

Yes, abortion is murder. If you don't understand that then you need to go brush up on your moral philosophy.

lol

 

First of all we were discussing whether or not a Fertilized Human Egg Cell was a Human Being....it is not.

Whether or not a Murder has been committed is a LEGAL DETERMINATION.

If I pull a WEED out of my lawn....I am killing a Living Organism....and pulling a weed out of my lawn does NOT constitute Murder.

Neither does having an Abortion.

And there is absolutely no Moral Issues upon not allowing a Fertilized Egg Cell to implant itself in the Uterine Wall via use of Plan B or Morning After.

The FACT is if we were able to provide better education to children as to Birth Control and Plan B and Morning After use...the number of abortions done would be dramatically lowered.

AboveAlpha

 

We aren't talking about whether the fetus is a human being. We are talking about whether the fetus is a person. The fetus is human, yes? We aren't talking about pig fetuses. The fetus is a unique entity that exists as a being, correct? It's DNA distinguishes it from the mom and dad, so it is a unique being. The question is, is this living human being an entity that constitutes it as a person. You act like this is my first post here.

 

True.

Brainwashed is exactly what's happened. You'd be surprised about what
young women say when they see the sonogram. Crying isn't an unusual
response. Hey, it's a baby. That's not what I was told.

Priceless.

 

No...a Fetus is not a person....a Fetus obtains PERSONAGE and becomes a HUMAN BEING....the moment it is birthed naturally, artificially or via C-Section....with it Umbillcal Cord CUT....having Higher Brain Function...and can remain alive with or without mechanical assitance.

As well the Fetus is not just Human...but is a Multicellular and Multispecies BEING....as a Human Being exists only as a Being with both Human and other Symbiotic Relationship Organisms as a part of it.

Thus a Human Being has as a part of it both Human DNA as well as Bacteria and other Species DNA as a part of it as without these a Human Being cannot exist...nor can it even develop just as Human Cells.

AboveAlpha

 

Neither of which matter, and as a unique entity is must gain unique consent to impose itself onto another person.

You as a unique person can gain consent to sexually intercourse with another person, that consent does not imply that you have free reign to have sexually intercourse with the same person at any time in the future, if you were attempt to do so that person has every right to defend themselves, up to and including deadly force, neither does the consent you gained mean another unique person can assume they also have consent to impose themselves onto said person.

Why should a fetus, as a person, be afforded rights over and above those of ALL other people, why do you want to create a 'super-person' and then remove those rights at birth?

Why are you so free and easy with other peoples rights?

BTW: Still waiting for your response to Post #758 & Post #759 along with the other thread as well

 

A Fetus after several weeks contains Human DNA as well as a variety of other Species DNA necessary for the Fetus to develop as well as necessary for a Fetus to be birthed and survive as a Baby...as without these other species which are all part of a Human Being...a Fetus could neither develop of survive being birthed.

A Fetus has Human DNA as well as various other Species DNA...but it is not yet a HUMAN BEING.

AboveAlpha