Abortion: The Facts

Why on earth do you think God was killing babies ? out of sheer enjoyment or child sacrifice ? You really need to think a little more before posting.

Did you really want me to trot out a number of verses where God orders or condones or wills the killing of children and babies ?

OK ... Why not.

1 Samuel 15: 2
This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Isaiah 14:21

Isaiah 13

No summary of the actions of this genocidal baby killing God with petty human flaws and emotions would be complete without a citing some good old fashioned OT Law now would it ?

Deuteronomy 13:13-19

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A few more verses from the prophets to give a more complete picture and that should do it.

Hosea 9:11-16

Ezekiel 9:5-7

In reading these passages one can certainly see where ISIS gets its inspiration from !

 

Man its disappointing when someone who doesn't know the bible asks to be proven wrong by it and then is. Please study it before relying on it for answers.

 

Man.....It's disappointing (yet expected), when someone who claims to know their own Bible(s) ask for proof it contains something and are shown the reality. Please stop studying it, as it is not helping.

 

You haven't proven anyone wrong and if you want to do the religion thing please take it to the religion forum. The title of this thread is Abortion: The Facts...that has nothing to do with the bible..

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Seriously? Did you READ what you wrote???

 

Fox, how MANY times does Sam contradict himself in a week.

It's not surprising for three reasons-

1. We've seen it dozens of times. He'll say "I don't want to control women", then "I support abortion laws which control women", then "I don't want to control women", then "Okay, I only want to control the women who don't do what I want....the 'evil' ones"

2. He's admitted he posts things "depending on how I feel"....which means if his mood shifts, his opinions shift.

3. He has little knowledge of even his own supposed religious beliefs.

 

But that quote above OMG.......is THIS the opposition????

 

It's simple he is a troll

 

At least I'm not a redcoat like you are.

 

Sorry, is this 1776 or 2014, Sam??? Did your Christian evangelical history class not mention that the UK and the USA have been ALLIES in two world wars? Or did they teach you we "won the wars on our own"???


BTW, why don't you answer ME and GIFTEDONE-

You asked - Originally Posted by The Amazing Sam's Ego

"Quote one Bible verse where God ordered children to be killed for punishment of the parents sins.":

We quoted one....1 Samuel 15:3 So you were wrong...right?

 

What an ignorant response.

That "redcoat" knows more about American law and the Constitution than most Americans and certainly more than you who has NO knowledge of it whatsoever.

 

BTW, again, I'm surprised at the length of this thread.

On Current Events, Moderators shut down a thread about about 72-75 pages.

I guess I they just don't care over here.

 

How can you not know this?

A Human Beings ability to digest and secrete waste is ENTIRELY GOVERNED by a multitude of various Bacteria and other Life Forms.

Without them we can not digest food...or defecate...and we would die without them...nor is a Human Fetus even capable of developing without them.

The Fetus without these other Life Forms within it would quickly die.

AboveAlpha

 

Yeah, but the fetus doesn't have their DNA. What are even talking about?

 

Maybe they're waiting for an Anti-Choicer to read the title and actually state a FACT ,,,,

 

I'm waiting on you in particular to justify the term Anti-Choice. You said well opposite of pro-choice is anti-choice. That is a cop out and really doesn;t jusitfy the term. I would like a real jusitfication that makes you believe that someone who thinks abortion is wrong is against all choices for women, me and children making them anti-choice.And here are some facts for you, that you can dispute if you wish, but they are facts1. when an egg gets fertilized a new unique iundividual is created. This individul is nto part of the mother, but is its own new individual. 2. The DNA is human DNA. 3. every new cell created through division is human.4. as the zygote divides different types of cells are created, this includes blood clells, skin cells, organ cells, bone cells etc etc. Every type of cell to classify the being as human is formed, at the zygote state, before implantation into the womb. 5. The tube that the unborn creates to sustain its life during pregnancy is human and aprt of the unborn. A limb if you will, like a leg, or arm.6. 3 weeks after fertilization the heart starts to beat7 5 weeks after fertilization the brain development increases arms are visible, nsotrils are visible8 9 weeks after fertilization gneitals begin to develop into either male or female parts Just a few facts that occur in the first trimester. Could be a big reason why it shifts from a majority supproting abortion the frist trimester to majority against it in most cases form 2nd trimester on. I think if you break it down on a week by week basis, you will find a lot of support for restrictions after week 7, or 5 weeks after conception and for sure after 9 weeks http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/stemcells.html http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/pregnancy-week-by-week/in-depth/prenatal-care/art-20045302

 

Anti-Choicers do not want women to have abortion as a choice. Pro-Choicers do.

I didn't bother reading the rest of the post because I believe abortion should be legal up to the 23 week. ...and your posts so seldom contain facts they aren't worth reading all the way through...

 

You throwing in your nonsense jabs continue to prove how dishonest you are. Note the last paragraph you wrote, which is false and you know it, you just spew hate towards me to spew it. Your choice, I support your choice, but don't agree with it.Doesn't justify calling pro life anti choice, as most pro life do support abortions in certain cases, like myself danger to the mother or unborn.. and most pro choicers support restrictions on abortions even banning them at certain points, except in extreme cases to include yourself. you not reading the rest is your choice, which i support... but they were all facts and are supported by the links. These facts if you bothered to read them do not contain anything suggesting abortion should, or should not be legal at a certain point, but it does suggest support for restrictions at certain points prior to your limit of 23 weeks.

 

I get sick and tired of people without a uterus telling those of us with them that we have to breed against our will. Zygote is a child I suggest you remove it from my body and dress it in a cute sailor suit. If you think an embryo weighing 1/2 of an ounce is a child , then you must also see an acorn as an oak tree, throwing away an acorn is like cutting down a tree.
Abortion is a personal and painful decision for women. Men don't have the right to force women to have unwanted children that they cannot provide for. Too many people believe that life begins at conception but ends at birth

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My friend had an abortion after 23 weeks when she discovered that the fetus she was carrying was born with its brain outside it's go and could never have survived. Again abortion is a personal decision

 

Whoa, slow down, I simply didn't add that anything after 23 weeks was fine if was for the fetus or woman's health and safety.

 

The Fetus cannot grow without these life forms....the fetus has these life forms and their DNA throughout it's developing stomach and intestinal system....as well as other areas.

AboveAlpha

 

No one here is suggesting your uterus be forcibly raped and impregnated. No one. That you would frame our arguments like this is dishonest, at best.

 

First, you argue that the fetus isn't a person because it is sterile, as in lacking in bacteria. I show that to be false. Then you argue it isn't a person because it has the dna of other species. When I argue against that, you change your original argument to say that the "dna" you were referring to, was actually a reference to other organisms inside them. You are so confused, you can't keep your arguments differentiated from mine. I find you presenting my side of the argument to me, as if it was yours all along. I can't wait for you to explain to me why having bacteria in your intestine is a reason you are worthy of being summarily executed. Or are you pro life now?

 

The poster meant that when women are forced to stay pregnant and deliver a kid ...that is treating women like breeding animals...

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IF the fetus is a person the woman has every right to defend herself from the harm it's causing her. This "person" does not have more rights than the woman ....and the woman has as much right to defend herself from harm as you do.

 

You are playing with semantics. I never said anything about being forcibly raped and impregnated. What is dishonest is your denial that if I am not allowed to have an abortion then I will be forced to breed against my will.

 

I don't to have to argue anything as the LAW and the SUPREME COURT RULING backs up what I state.

YOU are the one making an arguement...one without scientific proof...or reason.

AboveAlpha