Abortion: The Facts

The dishonesty is entirely yours....this would be what was actually stated:

Thus you are either being dishonest....or lack comprehension of language.

 

To breed :



cause (an animal) to produce offspring, typically in a controlled and organized way.


EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want for women.

 

From a "naturalistic" standpoint (i.e. sans medical interventionism) pregnancy is very dangerous. In the 19th Century it is estimated that up to 40% of all pregnancies ended in the death of the woman. While you might cite economic and social implications the fact is that pregnancy can literally kill a woman even today. Every pregnancy represents a mortal danger to the woman and that fact can never be discounted.

Of course it's irrelevant because why the woman chooses to have an abortion is her business, not yours or mine, and "morality" is purely subjective and it is an opinion that only applies to the person with that opinion. As the Supreme Court ruled in 1878 (Reynolds v US) opinion alone is not a valid justification for our laws.

 

Historical precedent establishes that the preborn are not a person. This is not an opinion but instead is a historical fact that was addressed by the US Supreme Court in it's Roe v Wade decision. Not even the attorneys arguing on behalf of the abortion laws were able to dispute this as being factual.

While this question was not addressed to me I've always been Pro-Life/Pro-Choice. I'm not a Pro-Life/Anti-Abortionist as that is advocacy against the life of the woman. The anti-abortionist is opposed to the Constitutionally protected Rights of the Woman.

 

Question: where do YOU live, I do not mean on the planet I mean You as a person. I will save you the confusion, it is in the Brain. Now for You to exist you must have a functioning Brain to reside within, still with me. So, while I agree that a fetus has Human DNA and has the potential to Become a Person, until that fetus has developed a fully functioning Brain there is no Person, hence before that occurs one is not killing a Person but only a Potential Person that has not actually taken up residence. By your theory an egg is a Human and a Person because they simply have the correct DNA and can potentially become a Human and Person, sorry a human egg is no more a Person than a chicken egg is a Chicken, ever had scrambled Chicken, I thought not.
Now do not have a meltdown trying to grasp logic, it will simply give you a headache. I am not totally against controlling when a woman can have an abortion on demand, I support their right to do so until the point that the new person/baby has taken up residence after that it must require a critical health issue for them to have one that is approved of by a doctor for medical reasons only.

 

What many of the anti-abortionist fail to understand, and it's even reflected in this post that isn't anti-abortionist, is that when it comes to a late term abortion it is the doctor that is stating the abortion should take place. The woman decided to have the child long before when she didn't elect to have an abortion. The choice for the woman is really not about "having the abortion" but instead the choice she's faced with is "not having the abortion" that the doctor recommends for health reasons.

Late term abortions are not elective for the woman.

Late term "continuing of the pregnancy against the advice of her doctors" is what her elective choice really is.

The saddest news stories I read are those cases where a woman, faced with this decision, is willing to continue the pregnancy knowing that it will lead to her death. I just read such a story about a woman with cancer that had to forego life-saving medical treatment so that she could continue the pregnancy. Not only will the woman die but her child will grow up without the mother that loved him/her. It is a sad story from any perspective because there are no winners. only losers.

 

Nothing there for me to disagree with. Well said.

 

Any woman who choses to carry a Pregnancy even if she knows she will die has a CHOICE.

AboveAlpha

 

Uh, ya..................

 

That's the point.

Some women who would not chose to do this...the vast majority....would not have such a choice if some members here had their way.

AboveAlpha

 

I see....and agree..

 

Absolutely but, as noted, in the case where the woman knows she will die if she continues the pregnancy then both the decision to continue the pregnancy or the decision to have an abortion suck for her. Either she loses a future child she wanted or the child loses the mother and neither of those are very good choices. It is always a very sad situation because there are no winners. It is a always win-lose decision. In truth it can even be a lose-lose decision if she decides to continue the pregnancy because the baby could still die during birth or she could possibly die before the birth resulting in niether surviving.

My heart goes out to the woman in all of these cases as life really sucks when any decision is inherently a losing proposition.

The last thing I'd wish on her is to have some jerk-wad elected politican make that decision for her.

 

The problems with your post are these:

1. The fetus is Human, but not yet a human being, at least in the earlier stages. It is in fact, A BLOB OF CELLS

2. you are correct that what is being destroyed is a human life. BUT It is not yet either a human being, nor a baby. It will not be a baby for quite some time,

3. The fetus (repeat) FETUS in the womb is NOT a person, and will not legally be, until it is born

 

You don't like reading posts but maybe you should try the one right before yours, 838,

 

Personally I understand how women could decide either way but we must NEVER allow any laws to be passed that would FORCE a woman to carry a Fetus to term if her life was in jeopardy.

AboveAlpha

 

It is my understanding that some states are already passing laws of this nature where they prohibit abortions after 20 or 22 weeks regardless of the medical diagnosis of a threat to the woman. Other states are passing laws that target Planned Parenthood clinics, that are the primary source of birth control for poor women in the nation as I understand it, and have been successful in closing them.

While I don't know if this is totally true I find that many anti-abortionists also seem to be anti-birth control as well. They don't even want birth control taught in our high schools and in Arizona (a GOP controlled state) a school board literally wants to change it's biology books to remove information about pregnancy prevention.

http://tucson.com/news/state-and-re...cle_304edbe4-4f5e-59c1-ae2f-f1a4b5c16385.html

This is getting pretty bad when "ignorance" is being advocated for political reasons.