Anti capitalist conservatives......

Stuff like this irritates the living crap out of me. They sound like Marxists from a third world country. Especially ignorant when they talk about China as a monolithic entity like one guy named China.

They are talking about a non crisis of "China" buying American farmland. To start what does that mean "China"? Chinese individual investors? Chinese companies? So?

We trade with China they trade with us. Trade is good it promotes peace and prosperity. Americans invest in China, Americans own 6.5% of the entire market cap of the Chinese stock market. Americans also hold about $750B in Chinese debt. So?

Even Bill Gates an American buying farmland is viewed as some dangerous thing. I remember Tucker talking about Blackrock buying farmland. Could it be they just think it is a good investment?

 

I did my homework on this one and it is hilarious the outrage by people.

https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA-FSA-Public/usdafiles/EPAS/PDF/afida2019report.pdf

Foreign people, foreign entities own 2.7% of American farmland. 2.7%! Wow crisis!

Chinese investors are not even in the top 10.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11977

It is a bunch of BS. Could somebody tell me what they would do with that land that is so scary to anybody?

 

Good point!

What this shows is that what we formerly knew as "conservatives" have now shifted so far to the right that they are better described as "fascists". It's the same reason why they see nothing wrong when a Republican governor PUNISHES a private corporation because they exercise their right to free speech.

That would have enraged the old GOP. Not anymore, though.

 

Thanks for that list. When Luxembourg owns 4 times as much US agricultural than China it is problem not a major concern.

 

Luxembourg's population is similar to the cities of El Paso or Memphis.

Only 2.7% of our farmland foreign owned and Chinese interests only represent .7% of that. Based on the Hannity piece you would think China owned 51%.

 

The man I'm about to talk about is not a bad person. He's not a total dumbass either. He was a corrections officer at a prison I worked at.

Around 2010 when everybody was talking about "China" holding so much of our debt he ran around asking a scary question. What if they "called" our debt? Apparently this guy watched too many Dallas episodes because that was something JR Ewing did on that show. He would ruin people by calling their debts and when they could not come up with the principle they would be ruined.

I explained to him in the nicest way possible they cannot do that these are bonds. They cannot just demand their principle any time they want.

Still trying to figure out why people were so threatened by that.

 

Is it good farm land? There's only so much good land. You don't see the problem with China a potential enemy taking away our farm land which could be used to NOT grow food to drive up food prices? Why should we allow ourselves to be held hostage to China? And will the Chinese government seaze the land if it's used to hide funds from the Chinese government? Should we tolerate the land borders within the USA become owned by the Chinese state?

 

Let’s see….China steals 600 billion a year from us in tech and intellectual property every year.

they unleashed a pandemic on the world that has resulted in inflation and now recession

they support Russia that, last I checked, you Libs have a problem with in its invasion of Ukraine.

They are manufacturing millions of pounds fentanyl that they are purposely transporting to the US and is now the #1 killer of Americans from age 25-40.

They are buying up a hell of a lot more assets than just farmland.

Yeah. We get it. You and your party are the biggest China fans in the world. Your dear leader Biden can’t even be understood because it’s so hard to hear him with Chinas dick shoved in his mouth the entire time.

But can you guys can the BS? Like sweet holy Jesus like try figure out what a woman is first before tangling in geopolitics cause your transparent Dennis Rodman-like worship of China needs to get dropped faster than you dropped Afghani allies from the sky

 

We've begun to curtail China ownership in Australia. Their ownership of Farmland is around 2.7%, but more in other areas. National Interest.

 

Who are you talking to, @Tipper101?

 

The Trump movement has emboldened anti-capitalist "conservatives."

 

anyone whose position appears to be that China isn’t a problem lalala. There are two posters who fit that description before I responded. Feel free to pick one if that helps.

 

Well Starcastle started this thread and he's no way shape or form a lib.
And I don't think he minds me saying so.

 

Well, you were talking about democrats so I got confused.

 

So that is a good investment? Buy up a billion acres in fertile farmland and then not grow anything on it? Get no income from it? Genius!

Who by the way is "China"? Is the Chinese government buying farmland? Who is buying this land?

 

Your post makes no sense. China is going to seize that land from China?

So you are agreeing that the people buying the land are Chinese corporations and individuals who might think it is a good investment not the Chinese government? So where is the political motivation?

What about the 6.5% of the Chinese stock market that Americans own? Or the $750B in Chinese debt held by Americans?

Capitalism means people making investments. Stocks, bonds and terra firma. Real estate has been a great investment for as long as people have existed.

 

Nice neocon talking points. So we should stop trade with China then? Suspend the $700B in trade with them?

Let's get into a few more dumb wars while we are at it.

 

What do you mean when you say "China"? At least be sophisticated enough to discern the difference between companies and individuals vs a government. Not lump them all together. Why not just add the rest of Asia and say slant eyes are buying America?

So if Bill Gates buys some land in Zimbabwe that is America buying land?

 

A Chinese company, WH group(China!) bought Smithfield foods. Since the total price in stock and assumed debt was 31% higher than the Smithfield stock price some Americans have done well from that.

The Smithfield CEO is now a top executive for WH.

Also WH is a pork processor they do not grow their own pigs. So the pigs they buy from American farmers is good for the farmers right?

OMG capitalism!

 

So you think if we don’t suck chinas dick then it’s WWIII? Either we let them do whatever they want or cut them off all in one go?

Love the way your all or nothing mind works. But hey, whatever makes the slobbing of their knob taste better eh?

 

You seem to think that the same distinction that exists between corporate and private funds in the West exists with Chinese corporations. Weird.

 

Tipper just curious, do you see a difference between a private Chinese company and the Chinese government?

 

So we should no longer have normalized diplomatic and economic relations with that country? There are over 4000 public companies in China.

And we should be like a third world country that does not allow foreign ownership of property? That's what 2nd rate countries do.

 

Remember back in the 80s when evangelicals like that idiot Pat Robertson were against a non cash economy because it was some soviet plot to control our money?

Think about that next time you use a card to pay for something.

I can understand not allowing foreign ownership of properties near sensitive military installations or something like that I'm not sure what people think they will be doing with this land that is so scary.

 

What did I say that suggested we let "them" do what they want? I'm a capitalist I believe that free trade promotes peace and prosperity.

You sound like Fidel Castro.

And please enough of the dick sucking references that is so infantile.