Anti capitalist conservatives......

Jeeez! Having to explain such basic concepts on a "political forum" is really mind boggling!

 

That is not true. Whoever told you that has never been to China or understands China. Although the government is communist, it's economic system is more capitalistic than what Lenin or Fidel Castro would allow. This all occurred under Deng Xio Ping in the late 1980s in the agricultural areas. It worked so well there, the government applied it to its economy. The Chinese people are very proud of their history and culture, and they generally support the CCP. However, the CCP does not own all the businesses in the PRC. It owns the defense national contractors and there are still some state-owned mines, gas operations, and natural gas operations, but all of the big companies, the major industrialists, are privately owned like they would be here, whether they are traded in the stock market or not.

 

It could have been worse, I could have had to use pictures to explain it lol

 

Being near is not the problem, getting on, into secured areas is the problem. And they generally can't do that Jefferson.

Even US citizens trying to get close to Area 51 are caught.

 

But that's them and not us. Most have anti-Colonial laws in place to prevent foreigners from grabbing up the land. This is esecially true in central and south African countries.

The country with the largest holdings is Canada, not China. And Chinese agricultural firms are probably the ones purchasing the land anyway for agricultural use. They want to make a profit just like any other company.

 

I don't think during the cold war we would allow massive purchases of property by Soviet "companies." Nor do I think during WWII we would have allowed German "companies" to buy American property.

And to your question, no I don't think our relations with China should be in any way "normal." They are not a normal country. They are a totalitarian dictatorship that runs concentration camps. We should be trying to economically untangle from that country as soon as possible.

 

I thought you were going to counter my point?

 

In the cold war, China was our ally believe it or not, from 1979 to 1989. Prior to that, they were cut off from the world mostly.

And during WW2, American companies did business with Nazi Germany when we had the Neutrality Act. Standard Oil, IBM, and Ford were the predominant big corporations doing business there, and quite frankly at that time, we Americans really didn't care. it was not "our war" but "Europe." That all changed on December 7, 1941. But still, Standard Oil still sent oil shipments to Germany until about 1944 or so.

 

I did. To put it in simplier words that your cobweb cranium can understand, "it's not weird." Chinese businesses and American businesses pretty much want the same thing, profits. How they define profits or what they use profits for may differ slightly between the two countries. One is long-term thinking, the other is more short-term thinking, but they still want profits.

Furthermore, your entire post was insinuating that there was no difference. And I showed you the difference. How else would those skyscrapers be built if no one was willing to invest their personal savings into them for a ROI at some later point in the future.

 

What is your definition of massive? It has not been massive.

 

How would farm land purchased by a Chinese company be owned by the "parent state"?

 

China was our leverage, not our ally during the cold war. Do you think it's a normal friendly country we can do business with now?

 

Canada is by far the largest holder of American real estate. Almost 30% of all foreign holdings. It still does not account for even 1% of the total.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11977

According to the 2019 numbers from this chart China owns .02 of 1% of American farmland. So why are we using emotional arguments about this?

The more I think about it it hardly matters to own farmland close to a military base. It is not like these people are flaunting our deepest military secrets out in the open where any camera or drone can record it. I'm much more concerned about a congressman screwing a known Chinese spy.

 

"Cobweb Cranium!" Not the cleverest come back but it's apparently D level night on the forum.

"How else would those skyscrapers be built if no one was willing to invest their personal savings into them for a ROI at some later point in the future"

I think this shows that my point totally glided by you. My point was NOT that Chinese companies don't seek profit. It was Chinese companies are beholden to the Chinese government and serve as an agent of their government in a way that private companies in the West don't. I thought it was a fairly obvious distinction but sometime you have to really spell things out.

 

For the cold war, what would you say is an acceptable amount of property bought by Soviet companies?

 

We are not in a cold war. Our economic relations with China today is far more extensive than it ever was with Russia or the Soviet union.

What could the Soviets have done to farmland that we would have been afraid of?

Conservatives are supposed to support individual liberty and capitalism not looking for more rules or barriers.

 

Chinese company → Chinese State

Through the process:
Tax evasion → Confiscation

How?
Legal process

 

And that's because our government is ****ing dumb. Our arrogant politicians....have sold us out via kickbacks and corruption....and thought we were better than having our own factories.....just sub that out to slant eyed people w/rice paddies.

Now our GDP is nothing but hot air....just cash flow between morons that live paycheck to paycheck and government borrowing.....McDonald's and Instagram is what we've become. Soft, fat and stupid.

By the way, China bought Smithfield Foods...the largest pork producer in the world and the U.S.

What's next, Tyson Foods?

Won't be long and they'll control our entire food production chain. Capitalism, right?

 

We are in a Cold War with China and will be as long as they desire to advance communism, limit freedom, and displace us as the world super power. China is now more dangerous to our national interests and our allies now that the Soviet Union ever was.

 

Smithfield is not the largest pork producer they are third.

https://www.largescaleagriculture.com/home/news-details/top-40-pork-producers-worldwide-2021/

What does WH owning Smithfield hurt anybody? So they are going to stop producing hams? More alarmist nonsense. Not even 1% of our farmland is controlled by Chinese companies.

 

Technically no, not economically. We do $700B a year in trade with these people and so does the EU.

 

I don't know what else you would call an anti-capitalist so-called Republican sounds strange to me too.

Did you read the OP? I wish this was something I made up.

 

Whatever economic problems we have in the US China is doing worse.

This will make you feel a little better about it

 

If that's so, why the paranoia about chinese investing in the US?

If you get your information from this type of insane videos, you'll no longer surprise me.

 

Very candid of you! Every country gathers information about the others. Commercial and technology spying is widespread all over the world and, probably, the most active kinds of spying.

BTW, chinese companies investing in the US are subject to US laws and rules like any other company.

You shouldn't roam into matters unknown to you. Stick to your usual cultist nonsense.