Anti capitalist conservatives......

Wow..it's like my presence here has finally made a difference. You must be starting to pay attention.

Conservatives are hippocritical end of story. Their mantra is rules for thee but not for me.

They are either for capitalism, or they have been full of it all these years.

 

I find it alarming.

 

We are not in a cold war with the Soviet Union now, but my question was what would you say is an acceptable amount of property bought by Soviet companies? I think the intent of my question was pretty clear.

As for China, if you don't think we're in a cold war with China then I can see why we can't see eye to eye.

 

remainants of the Red scare I have no idea

I will try my hardest to really give a **** what
you think.

 

Agree and disagree.

China disallows outsiders from purchasing infrastructure in their country and a host of other limitations.

Trade needs to be fair.

China kills US manufacturing because they aren't held to the same labor and environmental regulations.

We're trading partners, not buddies. In every business transaction, somebody comes out on top, and in most cases China has rigged the game to their favor.

We need to be very careful about selling US infrastructure to other countries.

 

When one starts with made up nonsense that is false .. what follows will also be regarded as such.

China Stole the farm a long time ago .. little left to steal . . never mind 600 Billion a year. Is China who is now developing their own intellectual property .. which we will try to steal.

 

One communist once said that capitalists would sell them the rope with which they could hang us. He’s becoming prophetic 100 years later than he thought but with a different communist/fascist country.

 

All developing countries have an advantage on us should we just not trade with them? They have cheaper labor and fewer regulations. So?

Trade will never be totally fair. It is just an argument for not trading at all which is not what we are about. It is certainly not capitalism.

I just think it is funny when conservatives are the ones who want all kinds of government barriers to people doing business.

 

So end world trade? The isolationist neocon argument.

 

Who ever said a thing about ending fair trade around the world? Not me. We traded just fine during Cold War 1 without helping finance the Soviet Union.

 

Whenever you trade with anyone or any country, you help them and they help you. Trade that is anything but win/win never lasts very long.

 

All our economy has done the last 40 years is grow 576%. The Vanguard total stock market fund has been up in 80% of the years it has been available.

Not bad considering unfair trade with China and Mexico, illegal immigration and what the left had claimed was a perpetual environmental crisis.


There is no way China wants a war with the USA or Europe when we are buying almost a trillion dollars a year in their goods.

 

Just look at the current level of extremist right-wing nationalism. Trump got elected thanks to his xenophobia. Not to any sort of policy.

 

it's largely fictional

What planet are you on?

 

So?

http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072499058/

Here you are saying that we are not obligated to make China richer or more powerful, yet in this thread you defend the trade policies that make China richer and more powerful on the backs of Americans.

Unfair trade terms is not capitalism. We can trade with developing countries so long as we embrace trade policies that make the trading mutually beneficial. Anything less is irresponsible.

I won't debate using absolutes. It's a mechanism to phrase the discussion in a format that's impossible to discuss.

Because I oppose unfair trade terms, I don't want to trade at all?

Are you capable of discussing a topic without resorting to various fallacies to make yourself feel like you "won"?

Capitalism is based on free exchange.

Simply electing not to take a bad deal doesn't make it anti-capitalist.

And more snide comments, partisan at that, of platitudes and talking points.

I'm done. Run along.

 

You were done once you stated you would not debate, then continued.

Proofing an argument is about absolutes. So failure to disprove him means he isn't incorrect about anything he stated. Free exchange as you quoted was his point.
The sum of consecutive integers is always an odd number, etc.

Show how it's never always fair.

 

Uh. Mkay.

 

Good job.
It's perhaps best you don't butcher others posts, so when you go back and read your own work...you don't get so confused when people respond to you.

I phrased it that way on purpose.

 

100% fictional.

 

I wouldn't go that far there is some extreme nationalism it's it's not the problem you think it is or the problem you want it to be.

 

How childish. Not used to people disagreeing with you?


I'm partisan eh? Which party?

We have a trade deficit with about 20 countries. Large deficits with Japan and Germany. So stop trading? We are making them rich off our backs!

How have I defended all of our trade policies with China? I'm objecting to people over acting from some of their companies owning some farmland. I also object to always talking about everything a Chinese company or individual does as some type of massive CCP conspiracy.

 

Populist conservatism did not start with Trump. Pat Buchanan talked about these things back in the 90s. Trump was better at it and I guess more credible because he is a business man. Buchanan's view lost out in the republican party where the majority supported free trade.

What I object is language that sounds so extreme in it's call for tariffs, protectionism and barriers to enterprise that you would think Hugo Chavez said them.

Despite all these unfair trade relationships and illegal immigration our GDP grew from 3.3T 40 years ago to $23T today. The Dow went from 784 40 years ago to over 32,000 today.

 

The Chinese was our ally at that time. China didn't trust the USSR because any agreement would require USSR troops stationed permanently in China. Mao, at that time, and the CCP, knew that would be a disaster. In other words, despite our differences, they trusted us then more than they did with the USSR. We shared intelligence data and so forth. We even did that during the early days on our war on Terrorism, especially with the East Turkistan Independence Movement.

Similarly, during WW2, the USSR was our ally as well and China was that ally between 1979 to 1989, leverage from 2000 to 2008, and now political adversaries hence. The only reason why China is with Russia and Putin now is US Hemogony. Chinese consider that more of a threat than Russia and Putin right now.

 

Good lord, your reply makes your first response even worse. Which companies would that be Mikey? Small business companies dominate the cities, towns, and rural areas. Or how about the Chinese Multinational firms such as Lenevo, DJI Innovations, Datang Telecom, NIO, and others?

With only about 100 million registered CCP members with a total population of 1.5 billion, your so-called assessment would have gotten a F in political theory or economics. China has the largest middle class in the world, some 400 million, with the average middle-class person having more disposable income compared to its western counterparts. Yet, China has a higher marginal tax rate than the United States and is comparable to most Western European countries. And they all want to spend. But they spend their money wisely, most of the time. Most Chinese are more beholden to their family than to the government. Beholden meaning having a duty. That is literally in their culture and they don't treat the government as family. They simply treat the government as it is and really don't care as long as the government keeps the gravy train flowing, pretty much like here. For instance, if the economy is doing good, then the population here will reelect the same administration even if there is a plethora of scandals going on, like what happened with Barrack Obama in 2012. Economically, we have a lot more in common with China today than you realize. And your argument, "Chinese companies are beholden to the Chinese government" is political folly at the least, ignorance at its worst.

 

That is absolutely not true that the Chinese company equals the Chinese State.

You are perpetuating a lot of myths while the reality is far from that. Tax evasion in China can get you the death penalty until 2021, but even Chinese billionaires, like here, can get away with tax evasion most of the time. Kinda like here, would you agree, at least, getting away with tax evasion?

https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-12580504